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I have been Goggling ¼ mile times for bone stock 1967 Camaros. The 327 275 hp vs 350 295 hp vs 302 z28. I really expected to see a much larger gap in quarter mile time between the 3 engines. Yes, I know there are all kinds of variables involved with transmissions & differentials etc. Most sites I looked up put the 350 SS Camaro & 327 275 hp neck & neck at 15.5 seconds. I was very surprised to find the legendary Z28 in the high 14’s & even the low 15’s? I would have thought the rock crushing all mighty Z28 would have blown it's other 2 Camaro brothers & sisters out of the water. Any supercalifragilisticexpialidocious thoughts concerning this matter might be fun to read about form y’all. :) Dig?
 
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What are you expecting here? It's all about the variables. If you are seeing the road test reports in the old car mags you are seeing tests of magazine pool cars. They weren't given Z's with 4.88's. My stock motored 67SS ran 14.0's all day with 4.10's. By today's standards the bulk of muscle cars weren't all that fast set up how they left the factory though some were truly exceptional.
 
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Pretty easy to get the Z28 into the 13 second range. a set of 4.88 to 5.35 and a good set of headers, good tune up and better tires. 1n 1969 I ran a Z28 one night at Puyallup drag strip in WA. Hooker headers, 4.88 rear gear and open Hooker headers on stock E70-15 tires consistent 14.2 quater mile times. 2 other 69 Z28's were there that night one bone stock about 15.2 and one with headers only about 14.7 both on stock E70 tires. so 4.88 about half second and headers another half second, nothing else done. As I remember th 5.35 was the lowest rear gear that could be ordered from the factory as factory installed. and the price was actually pretty cheap at the time. In 69 I ordered the 4,88 heat treated gears set and the (22plate HD) positraction carrier and it was less than 150 installed. and set up seperately so I could change back and forth pretty easy in like 2 hours. Then I dRove by an autocross going on one Sunday and that was a lot more fun than drag racing
 
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New V6 Camaros and Mustangs run those numbers now...

I like the 350 in a 67 Camaro, just because of the history. 67 first year of the 350 and it debuted in the Camaro, the Corvette didn't get it until years later. Same could be said for the 302...
 
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327!275hp!Convt! said:
I was very surprised to find the legendary Z28 in the high 14’s & even the low 15’s? I would have thought the rock crushing all mighty Z28 would have blown it's other 2 Camaro brothers & sisters out of the water.
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Sounds like sour grapes. Did a Z28 owner steal your lunch money when you were a kid?...lol.

Did you expect them to be in the low 13s like LS6 Chevelles and Hemi Cudas?

Seriously, you do know the Z28 was invented, produced, and intended to compete and dominate in the Trans Am racing series. You don't equip the Z28 with quick ratio steering, heavy duty disk brakes, large sway bars, bigger tires, call it the "Hugger" etc,...etc,....to go drag racing.

Big block Camaros were the group aimed toward 1/4 mile racing.
 
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Sounds like sour grapes. Did a Z28 owner steal your lunch money when you were a kid?...lol.

Did you expect them to be in the low 13s like LS6 Chevelles and Hemi Cudas?

Seriously, you do know the Z28 was invented, produced, and intended to compete and dominate in the Trans Am racing series. You don't equip the Z28 with quick ratio steering, heavy duty disk brakes, large sway bars, bigger tires, call it the "Hugger" etc,...etc,....to go drag racing.

Big block Camaros were the group aimed toward 1/4 mile racing.
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No “sour grapes” here boys. None at all. I wouldn’t want a Z28 or a SS convertible for that matter. I searched the internet for months if not a year or more for the car I wanted & evenly bought. I wanted a numbers matching 327 275 hp RS convertible. That’s what I found & bought 23 years ago. That’s after my 68 RS convertible was ripped off by some lowlife scuzz bucket in the late 1990’s.

I was just a little bored last Sunday morning. I stared Goggling quarter mile times on the old stock 67 Camaros. I was surprised at what I found. It’s just that simple. I don’t know anything about old (or new) car race history concerning the Camaro, or any other cars. I waste my spare time playing the git-fiddle & working on the 67 Camaro. Marina blue with a white top & z28 white stripes. Dig?
 

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Blownbird68 said:
And the difference between a 14.0 and a 15.2 is about 11 car lengths! If you were the guy running 15's you got your doors blown off!
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THIS. great reply. In my mind, no one drags to crow about 0.5 seconds. They talk about how that other car was waaaaay behind. This is the point.
 
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Sounds like sour grapes. Did a Z28 owner steal your lunch money when you were a kid?...lol.

Did you expect them to be in the low 13s like LS6 Chevelles and Hemi Cudas?

Seriously, you do know the Z28 was invented, produced, and intended to compete and dominate in the Trans Am racing series. You don't equip the Z28 with quick ratio steering, heavy duty disk brakes, large sway bars, bigger tires, call it the "Hugger" etc,...etc,....to go drag racing.

Big block Camaros were the group aimed toward 1/4 mile racing.
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I knew a guy, a teenager, back in the very early 1970’s that bought, owned & cruised around in his brand new “1969” red with white stripes Z28 Camaro. This cat, & 99.9% of other people that bought a Z28 back in 68 & 69 didn’t use their Z28 for the “Trans Am racing series.” They used them on the street to drag race some other “kid” from one (1) red light the next. This of course was done on the their local town’s street drag strip.” Dig?
 
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327!275hp!Convt! said:
I knew a guy, a teenager, back in the very early 1970’s that bought, owned & cruised around in his brand new “1969” red with white stripes Z28 Camaro. This cat, & 99.9% of other people that bought a Z28 back in 68 & 69 didn’t use their Z28 for the “Trans Am racing series.” They used them on the street to drag race some other “kid” from one (1) red light the next. This of course was done on the their local town’s street drag strip.” Dig?
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So, Dallas is your local town? Would that have been Green Valley back then?
 
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327!275hp!Convt! said:
I knew a guy, a teenager, back in the very early 1970’s that bought, owned & cruised around in his brand new “1969” red with white stripes Z28 Camaro. This cat, & 99.9% of other people that bought a Z28 back in 68 & 69 didn’t use their Z28 for the “Trans Am racing series.” They used them on the street to drag race some other “kid” from one (1) red light the next. This of course was done on the their local town’s street drag strip.” Dig?
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Yeah, I "dig". But I also "know" most kids don't know their a s s from their elbow, or the difference between horse power and torque, or how high revving small blocks make lots of HP while big blocks make torque. So "kids" opinions and driving practices are irrelevant as to why the manufacturer built the cars for in the first place. The only reason they were even offered to the public in 1967 was so they (Chevrolet) could compete in the Trans Am racing series. "Dig?".....lol.
 
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So, Dallas is your local town? Would that have been Green Valley back then?
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So, Dallas is your local town? Would that have been Green Valley back then?
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Kids in the Lake Highlands area of Dallas had it better than the Green Valley strip. Although, we would sometime cruise over there too.

There used to be an old abandoned “small airplane airport” at the corner of NW Highway & Garland Rd. It was where far N.E. Dallas met Garland, TX. There’s a Sam’s there now. Anyway, it was much better than a regular street cruising kind of drag strip. Hundreds of kids actually parked their cars, would get out & mingled around in the crowd; we would stand on the sidelines & watch the “races.” Some people walking about were waiting for their turn to drag race down the abandoned “quarter mile” airplane landing airstrip. Other teens (like me) were just hanging out & getting high, I wasn’t old enough to drive. It was all very neat, groovy & don’t forget about cool. Back in its day that is. There would always be some good looking “chick angel of love” to flag the 2 competing cars & serve as a kind of “Christmas Tree.”

If I’m not mistaken, Green Valley is in north Dallas. It was/is a long flat street that (still to this day) has the old high school kids “artwork” painted on it for a mile or more. The wall depicts themes like “Star Trek” & old rock & roll from that time period. I tried to Google the wall for a picture, but didn’t find anything.

I wonder if I’m confusing Green Valley with Forest Lane? I haven’t lived in Dallas for many tears now.
 
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327!275hp!Convt! said:
Kids in the Lake Highlands area of Dallas had it better than the Green Valley strip. Although, we would sometime cruise over there too.

There used to be an old abandoned “small airplane airport” at the corner of NW Highway & Garland Rd. It was where far N.E. Dallas met Garland, TX. There’s a Sam’s there now. Anyway, it was much better than a regular street cruising kind of drag strip. Hundreds of kids actually parked their cars, would get out & mingled around in the crowd; we would stand on the sidelines & watch the “races.” Some people walking about were waiting for their turn to drag race down the abandoned “quarter mile” airplane landing airstrip. Other teens (like me) were just hanging out & getting high, I wasn’t old enough to drive. It was all very neat, groovy & don’t forget about cool. Back in its day that is. There would always be some good looking “chick angel of love” to flag the 2 competing cars & serve as a kind of “Christmas Tree.”

If I’m not mistaken, Green Valley is in north Dallas. It was/is a long flat street that (still to this day) has the old high school kids “artwork” painted on it for a mile or more. The wall depicts themes like “Star Trek” & old rock & roll from that time period. I tried to Google the wall for a picture, but didn’t find anything.

I wonder if I’m confusing Green Valley with Forest Lane? I haven’t lived in Dallas for many tears now.
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I 'm pretty sure Green Valley Raceway was over in the North Richland Hills area north of Ft.Worth. Operational from sometime in 1972 until closing in 1986(?). The western end of Forest Lane in Dallas was the hot action spot for many street racers looking to show off their abilities and their cars. If you happened to get to the far west end of the "strip" on Forest Lane past Webb Chapel Rd, there was a Jack-in-the Box for your late night snacks. Sometime after that time period, The Dallas International Raceway open in the Lewisville city limits at the current location of Corporate Drive and Interstate I-35. Good times all the way around for gear-heads with similar likes of racing. So sad to see it all disappear over the years.
 
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Delco115 said:
I 'm pretty sure Green Valley Raceway was over in the North Richland Hills area north of Ft.Worth. Operational from sometime in 1972 until closing in 1986(?). The western end of Forest Lane in Dallas was the hot action spot for many street racers looking to show off their abilities and their cars. If you happened to get to the far west end of the "strip" on Forest Lane past Webb Chapel Rd, there was a Jack-in-the Box for your late night snacks. Sometime after that time period, The Dallas International Raceway open in the Lewisville city limits at the current location of Corporate Drive and Interstate I-35. Good times all the way around for gear-heads with similar likes of racing. So sad to see it all disappear over the years.
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It just dawned on me about “Green Valley Raceway.” I remember passing by there a number of times in the 1980’s while leaving town on vacation in my 68 RS Camaro convertible years ago. I never saw any races there. In my previous post I thought you were talking about a street &/or a cruising strip, or a local drag strip. I never got into going to places with formal racing & paid admissions. I always just really liked the body style of the first generation Camaro. I’m not a big “old car buff” at all. I’ve always just liked the Camaro body style (especially the convertible) since I was a kid.
 
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