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Discussion starter · #1 ·
When I went to bleed the brakes (because of a power booster, vacuum issue and many other things going on) thought I would eliminate air in the lines before someone asked. When I pulled the Rally caps off, noticed the studs were way to short. Probably when the PO had the disc brakes installed and didn't account for the caliper being thicker idk.

Auto parts store could only give me the original size (7/16-20) that was recommended for the car and he didn't know how to look up a longer length on the computer.

Anyway the stud is not quite flush with the nut. If you all can help me with the length I'll try to find them online.

Thank you
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I had same problem on my 67 when the the rear brake rotors were out on. Dorman 610-259 is the part you need. They are also listed as replacement for '69 with rear discs in Dorman's catalog.

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I think they are 1/4 inch longer. Anyway, the the lug nut is down further on the stud like it should be.
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Hope that helps.
 
Discussion starter · #7 ·
Jeez, how thick are your rotors?

When I upgraded my rear studs for a JL8 conversion:


I also used the Dorman 610-259 studs, but they sure fit better on my FW rims.

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Not sure how thick rotors are, but will be taking it apart tomorrow or next day. I also noticed how tight the nuts were with the impact trying to taking them off, so I checked torque on other side. 110+ ft lbs. Wow! Seems a little high to me.

I guess I'll be replacing nuts also.
 
I did remove to make it easier bleeding the brakes. I also double checked rotor and wheel were seated correctly when putting the wheel back on.
If there wasn’t a spacer, the disc may be too thick. Your picture indicates the hub is hardly, if any, engaged in the centers of the wheel.

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If there wasn’t a spacer, the disc may be too thick. Your picture indicates the hub is hardly, if any, engaged in the centers of the wheel.

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I agree, I'm not happy with the level of engagement between the hub and wheel. Rotor is 7.30mm (.291 in.) thick at hub, which is pretty thick in my opinion. Especially compared to thickness of a drum. Is this normal?
 
The Corvette rear rotors are 0.28 inch thick (fronts are 0.38) at the axle flange.

Something is not right about your setup.

I think the original studs were 1.25 inches while the new Dorman studs are 1.75.

Oh, I see; you have shouldered wheel nuts.

Where did you get them?
 
Based up your pic it definitely looks like there is something askew going on here with the hub not anywhere close to meeting flush with rim. If you do take the route of new studs be sure to conclude that you are going to stick with those rims. When I got my car the rear weld rims are like 5/8 (?) thicker than the fronts. After some measurements I found that the rear rims were being held on with only 3 threads !!! Not cool! So new longer wheel studs were in order and a 3/16 shim to get the tire from rubbing the frame rails.
 
Discussion starter · #12 ·
The Corvette rear rotors are 0.28 inch thick (fronts are 0.38).

Something is not right about your setup.

I think the original studs were1.25 inches while the new Dorman studs are 1.75.

Oh, I see; you have shouldered wheel nuts.

Where did you get them?
I purchased new nuts along with the new studs as someone recommended and they came from O'Reillys. The studs are about 1/2" longer so should be ok on that. The nuts to fit, showed in his catalog as stock for the 67.
 
Discussion starter · #13 ·
The pic your showing looks like the one Don posted on his car. My wheel to hub engagement is like his, except his studs look a little longer.

The protrusion on the axle is about 1/2". Thickness of rotor is about 1/4". Thickness on the wheel ( from where it seats on the axle ) to the outermost part of the wheel is about 7/16". Only leaving about 3/16", so I assume that's why I don't have a flush fit on axle to wheel. Is this set up acceptable or do I need to correct something?

I also need to ask about this clip that fell out when removing caliper. Can't figure out how it goes back in. Trying to remove other side a little more carefully and look, but it's not there. Is this part critical?

 
The pic your showing looks like the one Don posted on his car. My wheel to hub engagement is like his, except his studs look a little longer.

The protrusion on the axle is about 1/2". Thickness of rotor is about 1/4". Thickness on the wheel ( from where it seats on the axle ) to the outermost part of the wheel is about 7/16". Only leaving about 3/16", so I assume that's why I don't have a flush fit on axle to wheel. Is this set up acceptable or do I need to correct something?

I also need to ask about this clip that fell out when removing caliper. Can't figure out how it goes back in. Trying to remove other side a little more carefully and look, but it's not there. Is this part critical?

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The clip goes on the back of the inside pad. It's not "critical" but it there for noise abatement that's created between the pad and piston.
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Discussion starter · #16 ·
So I got it back together and it looks a lot safer now. I did find another issue before I put the rotor on.

It appears the rotor did not fit over the axle so they (PO) hacked it open to fit.
The pass side was done as well, but not quite as bad.

Is this something I should be concerned with?

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I find it especially weird that the rim does not go over the center part of the axle. Thats how its supposed to prevent wheel wobble. Just using wheel nuts alone is not good enough in my opinion. When I put my DG wheels on my 67, I found that the hole on the rim had a few burrs and when I cleaned them up, the rim slid right on over the entended part of the axle. I'm not saying this is your problem, but I wouldn't feel safe with the way the rim is mounted on the axle.
 
Discussion starter · #18 ·
The center of the wheel does have a little bit of engagement on the hub. It is not flush, but don't see how that can be any better unless the axles are changed out with a later model that has more hub to allow for the additional thickness of the rotor.

The paperwork from the PO shows this complete conversion kit (RSD-AFXDC42C) bought from Summit is for this car.

I could possibly change wheels, if that would fix it. Idk

Hopefully there is others that have run into this and can help.
 
Probably not. Aluminum wheels have a thicker mounting flange. BT and learned it the hard way. This epic story is told from beginning to end, so new owners can know how bad it can get when things collide between 2 nice to have changes to the 1st Gen Camaro.

I had seen that my wheel stud threads were barely visible before I took the 68 Camaro to Goodyear. The car has American Racing Torque Thrust on it when I bought it. I did not like the tires nor the wheels either, but no cash to get ones I wanted. Tires were 8 years old, so no question. Get them off. During the time the tires were being changed at Goodyear, the technician and service rep were pushing me to change the studs out. This was an unsafe condition. I said no that I would wait until I put on the 4 wheel power disc brakes. They tried to convince me all the way to me paying the tire bill. I asked them if the lug nuts were torqued. They said yes and I said it was good enough for the next few hundred miles I might put on the car. I would keep watch of the lug nuts. I knew that stud length situation would change again for the worse, once brake disc rotors were mounted. I was right as in 2 months later I found myself installing the front disc kit and determining the studs were useless anymore.

So, I wound up measuring the axle flange thickness, the rotor thickness and the American Racing wheel mounting flange thickness. I then determined the thread engagement length of the factory nut that was was currently being used with the wheel model (conical seat and vendor acceptable). Knowing the wheel was sloppy on the studs, I did a test with 7/16-20 nut and stud on the wheel. This confirmed the stud was sloppy in the wheel and the conical seat was seating too far into the mount hole Flats were contacting the mount hole. I then did the same test with a 1/2-20 and found it acceptable. I found a set of 1/2-20 closed top wheel nuts to use and bought them. Then I measured the depth of the threads from the conical seat upper face. Knowing this closed wheel nut stud limit dimension gave me everything I needed to plot out the needed stud length with same knurl dimension of the original stud (0.472). Unfortunately, I ran into the problem that there was no 1/2-20 with the same knurl size as that was on the 7/16-20 stud. Best I could get for the length I needed was a 0.56 knurl. So a 0.088' larger knurl needed to be accomodated. This required buying a reamer 0.006" smaller than the knurl size and a drill bit slightly smaller than the reamer. The front hubs, I did all the work on the drill press. The rear axles, I did free hand with a friend watching very closely that I stayed level while drilling with the larger bit and oil and then doing the final ream. The end result is I have 1/2-20 x 1.75 studs (Dorman 610-074) installed that work fine with my axles, brake rotors, wheels and wheel nuts.

Oh yes, I changed the color of the wheels to my liking and polished the aluminum. They set off the blue on the car real nice.

One little change like wheels or disc brakes doesn't seem like much, but some owners don't take the time to ensure all interfacing requirements are correct. They leave it to the next unsuspecting new owners of the car to learn of the cheap way the previous owners did auto maintenance. BT and learned that on my Camaro and one of my Corvairs.

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I'm going to see if those Dorman 711-106 lug nuts fit under the center cap of my FW Rally wheels.

Not that it matters, but the packaging said the lug nuts were chrome and had 7/16 x 20 embossed on the side. I hope they fit. They look nice.
 
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