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Discussion starter · #41 ·
Step 3: Move the crossmember out of the way. This didn't work out well. I would up jacking up one side of the chassis high enough the maneuver the whole doggone thing completely out!

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I will probably regret doing this when the time comes to put everything back in, since I don't remember what the heck I did.
 

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Discussion starter · #42 ·
Step 4: Remove transmission. With all of the bolts and associated stuff out of the way, this should be simple right?

I don't have pics of this effort because I was too busy cussing (and sometimes praying) for the stupid thing to come out!

That took me at least an hour if not more!

Eventually it landed squarely onto my chest. I let if slowly roll off of me and to the side and just laid underneath the car for about 15 minutes while I contemplated the meaning of life.

And this is NOT a 60-lb gearbox (who ever said that)...I found out why later.

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Discussion starter · #43 ·
A quick Google search revealed this to be a Borg Warner T10 4-speed.

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These were put into the later generation Camaros. 1st Gens had Muncies.

I was kinda looking forward to finding out "which" Muncie I had, only to realize that my car's drivetrain (engine and all) was seriously "Frankensteined". Explains why things like the backup lights aren't hooked up.

I'm a little disappointed, but I need to press on and fix my "hybrid" of a "not an SS" Camaro. I still enjoy it though. When life give you lemons...fix it up anyway!

Tomorrow I get to remove the bell housing. This is when I get to see what the heck really broke and what additional parts I may need to replace.

Also I have a clear shot of the flywheel, which will allow me to finally install my new starter and shim it properly. I also have an inspection cover to install...

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#45 ·
I am not real familiar with the BW T10s, I have always had Saginaws or Muncies. But have always heard the Super T10 is a excellent trans. If you happen to have a Super T10 I would call it a big win. My understanding is the Super T10 is a performance trans inline with the M22.

T10 is still a good trans too, Muncie may edge it out for strength, but nothing to frown on there at all. If I remember right, T10s do use the fine spline input shaft, that would be a plus in my opinion!

and you can run one of these cool stickers! haha
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#46 ·
You can add more work and gain knowledge by doing parallel and concentric bellhousing alignment, as well as proper clutch fork geometry. I have the instructions in PDF from Jody's Transmissions. Or you can just toss it all back together as is.
 
#47 ·
OP. If you spent the time fixing instead of posting comments and pics of what everyone here has known for decades the job would be finished 3 days ago.
 
Discussion starter · #50 ·
Day 3: Bellhousing Removal

No steps here, just undo six bolts...easy enough?

First 5 were loosened within 20 minutes. The top leftmost bolt took me 2 hours...mostly trying to find a combination of attachments needed to get to the darn bolt! Ended up using my Keebler elf hands to get a crescent wrench far enough up there to break the bolt free, then I could use my confabulated tool setup to finish unbolting.

This is what it took to get the bolts off:
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So here it is! I know y'all know this already, but I just had to stare at all of it in amazement that this is what was necessary to just get to the clutch fork!

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Discussion starter · #51 ·
When I did get the transmission out, I did see the throwout bearing lying at the bottom of the bell housing. Couldn't really tell what damage was done to the fork until the bell housing was removed.

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I did anticipate this type of damage despite not really knowing much about the clutch mechanism, so I got this kit a couple of weeks ago. I think I did alright here:

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Discussion starter · #52 ·
This weekend, I will install my new starter and that's it. Wifey expects me to put the tools down occasionally and engage in family time on weekends, so there won't be any more updates until Monday. Hopefully the installation will be smoother than what I experienced these past few days!
 
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Giulio said:
Day 3: Bellhousing Removal

No steps here, just undo six bolts...easy enough?

First 5 were loosened within 20 minutes. The top leftmost bolt took me 2 hours...mostly trying to find a combination of attachments needed to get to the darn bolt! Ended up using my Keebler elf hands to get a crescent wrench far enough up there to break the bolt free, then I could use my confabulated tool setup to finish unbolting.
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Wobble adapters, long extensions and universal joints wrapped in electrical tape so they are stiffer work well for hard to access areas. Letting the rear of the motor drop down a little helps with upper bell housing bolts too. When installing hard to reach bolts, I wrap some electrical tape around the socket and the bolt... just enough to hold the bolt in place. Put enough tape around the socket and extension so the socket doesn't come loose when you remove it from the taped up bolt.
 
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Giulio said:
Just sharing my experience, not trying to educate here. And it took 3 days to get the guts to decide to tackle the job!
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I enjoy reading your posts with the pics... especially the added levity you have shared while working on your car.

I truly understand the extra time it takes to photograph and document your experience... but one day in the future, you may be able to share some of your pics that could be helpful to someone else.
 
Discussion starter · #57 ·
vegas_ss said:
Wobble adapters, long extensions and universal joints wrapped in electrical tape so they are stiffer work well for hard to access areas. Letting the rear of the motor drop down a little helps with upper bell housing bolts too. When installing hard to reach bolts, I wrap some electrical tape around the socket and the bolt... just enough to hold the bolt in place. Put enough tape around the socket and extension so the socket doesn't come loose when you remove it from the taped up bolt.
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Great ideas! Was thinking along those lines when the time comes to put the bell housing back in place.
 
Discussion starter · #58 ·
jimsl78 said:
Here is short video on clutch fork and throwout bearing, that's worth checking out......
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I'm gonna watch that. The service manual detail the process somewhat, but very few grainy pics.
 
Discussion starter · #59 ·
Sauron67MM said:
Twelve year old daughter of a friend's friend changing a water pump on a Charger. She loves working on cars, especially classics. She says new cars have no personality. You should have no problem doing a tranny job.
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That's awesome! I once let my daughter help me change brake pads and took pics for her "how to" school assignment...she got an "A"!
 
Discussion starter · #60 ·
Today was a scorcher, so I didn't do a whole lot.

I did paint the bell housing yesterday and installed the parts today.
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I am curious though since the throwout bearing fully seated in the fork isn't true with the clutch plate, I guess I have to wiggle the trans a bit when I reinstall it?
 
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