Front end kit in Canada

Hi, my 67 Cararo is in bad need of a Front end kit. I was looking at the PST kits, even at $300 USD I am afraid the duties and taxes will be insane. Has any one order the kit from them that lives here in Canada.

Or is there a place I can buy it locally. I am in Toronto.

Thanks in advance.

Mark.

The only place I know of in Canada is here: http://speedtech-performance.com/

I have a parts list on my web page, you can buy most of it from a local autoparts store.
David

There is no duty on car parts just provincial sales tax and GST. Even so I agree with David, I bought my "kit" through the parts store in pieces cheaper.

Thanks for the feedback.

Davidpozzi, I took a look at your web site. A lot of good reading. I did not actually see any parts list for the front end. I saw a lot of information on the spring setup, which was great. I guess the approach I should use based on the feedback is to either bite the bullet and order PST or make a shopping list and buy seperate. Only issue I have here is from where. Being a novice it is difficult for me to actually decide what I need. I am assuing all parts in the front end minus the spindals and control arms.

Guys, feel free to "suggest" a shopping list. Car is a convirtable with small block. Summer week end car so the setup is for cruising.

Thanks.

m.

You can have someone in the States order the stuff you want, take delivery, and then meet you at the border with it.
Just an idea.

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front end suspension rebuild normally will require:
2 upper ball joint
2 lower ball joint
upper control arm bushings (pair)
lower control arm bushings (pair)
sway bar to frame bushings (pair)
sway bar end link kits (pair)

also a pair of new bump stops is always nice.
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steering parts basics:
idler arm
pitman arm (or centerlink, depending on your setup)
2 inner tie rods
2 outer tie rods
2 adjusting sleeves
ragjoint (steering coupler)

[ 02-24-2004, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: davidpozzi ]

Mark, David does list part numbers on his site for the frontend. I used them when rebuilding mine. Take a closer look at his site.

Hey Mark, goto any Canadain Tire, or parts pro place and order balljoints tie rods, etc.. made by MOOG, CAnadian tire wont have it in stock, so they'll order it for you, and they have a great return policy.. and for the bushings you can get them at Performance Improvements, or order them off ebay, no big deal...

Hey Mark, believe it or not, but even Walmart at Square One, the one I goto has tons of stuff, but it all has to be ordered, and takes a week, but you'll get it, just make sure its of good-quality

MOOG 67/69 camaro steering and suspension part numbers


MOOG
Both sides outer tie rod 67 ES348R (4.62" long)
Both sides outer tie rod 68-69 ES381RL (5.75" long)
Both sides Inner tie rod 67-69 ES681N
Toe in adjuster sleeve 68-69 ES350S

Upper ball joint K5108 67-69
Lower ball joint K5103 67-69
Upper control arm Shaft kit Moog# K5250 (Offset)
Idler arm + bracket K6099 all 68-69 5.375" long - cast iron, not forged steel.
Idler arm, K6093 all 67 5 3/4" long (no longer available)
Pitman, manual K6150 68-69 (short)
Pitman K6151 PS, short 5.25"
Pitman, PS K6154, 67-69 5.78" long (probably 5 3/4") 32 splines 1.1-1.18 diam. No longer available from Moog.
Pitman, PS , long, Moog# 6582 New production run, no grease fitting - Currently available at any auto parts store that sells Moog parts. These appear to be less durable than grease fitting type, have plastic injected around the stud.

Pitman, PS long, TRW # 18770 Same as above. Probably a Moog part in a TRW box.
NOTE: There are two length pitman arms for power and two lengths for manual. Std 17 to 1 ratio power steering uses 5.25"
Optional fast ratio PS, uses 5.7" long Pitman arm.
Above provided by David, Below provided by a Team Camaro Forum Member.
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PART NUMBERS FOR FRONT SUSPENSION/STEERING: 1969 Camaro Z28

Lower Ball Joint: K5103 Federated Chassis
10197 TRW

Upper Ball Joint: K5108 Federated
10195 TRW

A-Arm Adjustment Shims: 1/32" MOOG K961
1/16" MOOG K962
1/8" MOOG K963

Front Coil Springs: TRW CS6312 Constant rate, regular without A/C, Sport Coupe
TRW CS638 With A/C
Same TRW part numbers for High Perf. springs

Control Arm Bushings/Shafts: Upper - K5196 Federated Chassis / MOOG
Lower - K6076 Federated / MOOG
MOOG K5250 [Upper Control Arm Offset Shaft Kit] Problem Solver Kit; Provides Additional Positive Camb er Adjustment; Front Suspension

Idler Arm: K6099 Federated / MOOG
18718 TRW

Chassis Illustration Reference: 01008407MOO Steering Linkage - MOOG
01008301MOO Front Suspension - MOOG
02004601TRW Steering Linkage - TRW
02004701TRW Front Suspension - TRW

Pitman Arm: 18770 TRW w/special steering, w/power steering

Rear Suspension Bushings: B298 TRW Front spring bushing
HB1003 TRW Rear spring bushing - 8 used

Gear Kit, Steering: 2757 Omega - Master Gear Kit, Camaro
2779 Omega - [Gear Kit] Adj. Plug; Camaro List.; Supersedes {2774}


Power Steering Pressure Hose: 564 Omega - [Power Steering Hose] Pres.; OE; Camaro List.
852 Omega - [Power Steering Hose] Pres.; Mod.; Camaro List.

Pwr Steer. Return Hose: 30903 OMEGA [Power Steering Hose] Return; Mod.; Bulk Hose; 25 in. ; Camaro List.
675 OMEGA [Power Steering Hose] Return; OE; Camaro List.
950 OMEGA [Power Steering Hose] Return; Mod.; Bulk Hose; 25 in.; Or {30903}; Camaro List.

Power Steering Pump Kit: 2759 Omega - [Seal Kit] Pump; Camaro List.

Sway Bar Bushing: K5227 FEDERATED CHASSIS [Sway Bar Bushing Kit]
K5227 MOOG [Sway Bar Bushing Kit]

Sway Bar End Links: K6217 MOOG [Sway Bar Link Kit]

Tie-Rod End Adjusting Sleeve: FEDERATED CHASSIS ES350S [Sleeve] Right & Left
MOOG ES350S [Sleeve] Right & Left

Tie-Rod End - Driver Inner: FEDERATED CHASSIS ES681N [Tie Rod End] Driver Side; Inner
MOOG ES681N [Tie Rod End] Driver Side; Inner
TRW ES681N Driver Inner, 1968-70


Tie-Rod End - Driver Outer: FEDERATED CHASSIS ES381RL [Tie Rod End] Driver Side; Outer
MOOG ES381RL [Tie Rod End] Driver Side; Outer


Tie-Rod End - Passenger Inner: FEDERATED CHASSIS ES681N [Tie Rod End] Pass. Side; Inner
MOOG ES681N [Tie Rod End] Pass. Side; Inner
TRW ES681N Passenger Inner, 1968-70

Tie-Rod End - Passenger Outer: FEDERATED CHASSIS ES381RL [Tie Rod End] Pass. Side; Outer
MOOG ES381RL [Tie Rod End] Pass. Side; Outer

Tie-Rod End/Drag Link (at Pitman Arm): TRW ES350S [Tie Rod Adjusting Sleeve] Passenger
TRW ES350S [Tie Rod Adjusting Sleeve] Driver


PART NUMBERS FOR FRONT SUSPENSION/STEERING: 1969 Camaro 350ci

Allignment Front Kit: MOOG K5250 [Offset Shaft Kit] Frt.; Problem Solver; Upper Control Arm Kit w/Bushings; Provides Add. P os. Camber; 2 Req.
MOOG K961 [Custom Shims] Frt.; 1/32 in. Thick
MOOG K962 [Custom Shims] Frt.; 1/16 in. Thick
MOOG K963 [Custom Shims] Frt.; 1/8 in. Thick


Lower Ball Joint: FEDERATED CHASSIS K5103 [Lower Ball Joint]
MOOG K5103 [Lower Ball Joint] Front Suspension; 2 Required
TRW 10197 use two per vehicle; Incl. CUSTOM

Upper Ball Joint: FEDERATED CHASSIS K5108 [Upper Ball Joint]
MOOG K5108 [Upper Ball Joint] Front Suspension; 2 Required
TRW 10195 use two per vehicle; Incl. CUSTOM

Front Coil Springs: MOOG 6312 [Coil Spring] Frt.; HD; w/o A/C; Sport Cpe.
MOOG 638 [Coil Spring] Frt.; Conv.; Sport Cpe. (A/C)
MOOG 638 [Coil Spring] Frt.; HD; A/C; Sport Cpe.
MOOG 6312 [Coil Spring] Frt.; w/o A/C; Sport Cpe.
TRW CS6312 [Coil Springs] Front; Constant Rate; Regular; w/o A.C.; Sport Coupe
TRW CS638 [Coil Springs] Front; Constant Rate; Regular; w/A.C.; Sport Coupe

Front Heavy Duty/Perf. Coil Springs: TRW CS6312 [Coil Springs] Front; Constant Rate; Heavy Duty; w/o A.C.; Sport Coupe
TRW CS638 [Coil Springs] Front; Constant Rate; Heavy Duty; w/o A.C.; Sport Coupe

Connecting Tie-Rods: MOOG ES381RL [Outer Tie Rod End] Front Suspension; 2 Required
MOOG ES681N [Inner Tie Rod End] Front Suspension; 2 Required


Control Arm Bushings/Shafts: SAME AS Z28

Idler Arm: MOOG K6099 [Idler Arm] Front Suspension; 1 Required
TRW 18718 [Idler Arm]

Chassis Illustration Reference: SAME AS Z28

Leaf Springs: MOOG K6559 [Leaf Spring Bushings] Rear Suspension; Bushing Location Shackle
MOOG SB298 [Leaf Spring Bushings] Rear Suspension; Bushing Location Front

Pitman Arm: MOOG K6150 [Pitman Arm] Front Suspension; Manual Steering; 1 Required
MOOG K6582 [Pitman Arm] Front Suspension; Power Steering; 1 Required; 5.78" Between Center of Stud & Center of Spine.
TRW 18768 Manual Steering Exc. 302 Engine
TRW 18770 Power Steering (w/ 5.78" Stud Center to Spline Center) 1968-69, All 1967

Rear Suspension Bushings: SAME AS Z28

Steering Gear Kit: BCA/NATIONAL PSK-1 [Oil Seal Kit] RWD Power Steering; (Kit)
OMEGA 2757 [Gear Kit] Mstr.
OMEGA 2779 [Gear Kit] Adj. Plug; Supersedes {2774}

Power Steering Pressure Hose: 564 Omega - [Power Steering Hose] Pres.; OE; Camaro List.
852 Omega - [Power Steering Hose] Pres.; Mod.; Camaro List.

Pwr Steer. Return Hose: 30903 OMEGA [Power Steering Hose] Return; Mod.; Bulk Hose; 25 in. ; Camaro List.
675 OMEGA [Power Steering Hose] Return; OE; Camaro List.
950 OMEGA [Power Steering Hose] Return; Mod.; Bulk Hose; 25 in.; Or {30903}; Camaro List.

Power Steering Pump Kit: 2759 Omega - [Seal Kit] Pump; Camaro List

Sway Bar Bushing: K5227 FEDERATED CHASSIS [Sway Bar Bushing Kit]
K5227 MOOG [Sway Bar Bushing Kit]

Sway Bar End Links: K6217 MOOG [Sway Bar Link Kit]

Tie-Rod End Adjusting Sleeve: FEDERATED CHASSIS ES350S [Sleeve] Right & Left
MOOG ES350S [Sleeve] Right & Left

Tie-Rod End - Driver Inner: FEDERATED CHASSIS ES681N [Tie Rod End] Driver Side; Inner
MOOG ES681N [Tie Rod End] Driver Side; Inner
TRW ES681N Driver Inner, 1968-70


Tie-Rod End - Driver Outer: FEDERATED CHASSIS ES381RL [Tie Rod End] Driver Side; Outer
MOOG ES381RL [Tie Rod End] Driver Side; Outer


Tie-Rod End - Passenger Inner: FEDERATED CHASSIS ES681N [Tie Rod End] Pass. Side; Inner
MOOG ES681N [Tie Rod End] Pass. Side; Inner
TRW ES681N Passenger Inner, 1968-70

Tie-Rod End - Passenger Outer: FEDERATED CHASSIS ES381RL [Tie Rod End] Pass. Side; Outer
MOOG ES381RL [Tie Rod End] Pass. Side; Outer

Tie-Rod End/Drag Link (at Pitman Arm): TRW ES350S [Tie Rod Adjusting Sleeve] Passenger
TRW ES350S [Tie Rod Adjusting Sleeve] Driver

67 Tie rod end ES348R driver and pass side Outer.


PART NUMBERS FOR FRONT SUSPENSION/STEERING: 1969 Camaro 396ci - Only Changes from Z28 and SmallBlock

Front Coil Springs: MOOG 638 [Coil Spring] Frt.; w/o A/C; Sport Cpe.
TRW CS638 [Coil Springs] Front; Constant Rate; Regular; w/o A.C.; Sport Coupe

Control Arm Bushing Kit: FEDERATED CHASSIS K5196 [Control Arm Bushing Kit] Upper; 2 Required *
FEDERATED CHASSIS K6076 [Lower Control Arm Bushing Kit] Lower; 2 Required *
MOOG K5196 [Upper Control Arm Bushing Kit] Front Suspension; 2 Required *
MOOG K5250 [Upper Control Arm Offset Shaft Kit] Problem Solver Kit; Provides Additional Positive Camb er Adjustment; Front Suspension; 2 Required *
MOOG K6076 [Lower Control Arm Bushing Kit] Front Suspension; 2 Required *
TRW 12162 4 Used, Upper Arm *
TRW 12237 Front, Lower Arm *
TRW 12258 Rear, Lower Arm


Control Arm Shaft Kit: TRW 13158A Upper Shaft Kit, use two per vehicle

Pitman Arm: MOOG K6150 [Pitman Arm] Front Suspension; Manual Steering; 1 Required *
MOOG K6582 [Pitman Arm] Front Suspension; Power Steering; 1 Required; 5.78" Between Center of Stud & Center of Spine. *
TRW 18768 Manual Steering Exc. 302 Engine *
TRW 18770 Power Steering (w/ 5.78" Stud Center to Spline Center) 1968-69, All 1967

Sway Bar Link Kit: MOOG K6217 [Sway Bar Link Kit] Front Suspension; 2 Required *
TRW 18060 [Sway Bar Link Kit] Standard, use two per vehicle *
TRW 18203 [Sway Bar Link Kit] Heavy Duty, use two per vehicle

guess i'm a little late.
Mark, the stabilizer links are the sway bar end links, in case your question was unanswered.

stabilizer=sway bar=stabilizer bar=anti-sway bar

i guess stabilizer or anti-sway are the most correct terms. i just call it a sway bar.

the lower control arm bushings are a different animal.

some people call the control arms (upper and/or lower) an "A" arm. so if someone says "A-arm bushings", chances are they're talking about the control arm bushies.
some people call a centerlink a drag link, even though they are two different animals.
then you got your radius rods, radius arms, and strut rods....(all are different, but the names get tossed about)
just depends on who you hang out with.
dont even get me started on Direct Ignition Systems (DIS)

Just another thought on Canadian Tire... They do list most of the suspension pieces, e-brake cables etc. NAPA stores do as well. Canadian Tire's performance catalogue is the Keystone book, they're resellers and it lists everything you'd need including Hotchkiss.

Noel

Mark,it kind of sounds to me so far you will probably end up replacing most of it if not all suspension components.If doing it youreself I recommend using a AIM book or shop manual and a 2-10 ton press for the ball joints and bushings,or pull the a-arms off youreself and send them in to be done for you.I am almost done my front re-build minus springs,and will probably end up using davids part numbers.As far as prices are concerned pick up the yellow pages and call.. say bobjones auto parts,canadian tire,UAP/NAPA, and battery supply, you are going to find a big difference in prices from one place to another, as I am finding just the springs are verying from $110.00 CDN to $189.00CND, so it pays to shop around! Any good parts counter guy should be able to help you thru what part is what,and what is this and that for. Check out my sig for pics on the front suspension.I would take you up on that beer if I was an hour closer!

What are your goals for handling? Do you want the car to handle better than stock?
If so, there are some options you should consider.

You can upgrade your control arm bushings to polly material or go to delrin bushings to better hold the wheels in proper alignment.

Solid subframe to body bushings are recomended. Stock bushings are rubber and usually rotted. Solid bushings help tie the Unibody and subframe together and make it more solid.

Front end parts have been mentioned, tie rod ends, idler arm, pitman arm, balljoints, don't forget the wheel bearings too.

Consider getting tubular upper control arms which will come with upper balljoints and bushings installed allready. These improve suspension geometry for better handling.

Stiffer springs, select from Moog, Global West, Hotchkis, Eibach, or get racing springs like Hyperco, AFCO or others.

Sway bars or antiroll bars, a larger front bar will help handling a LOT! 1" solid works.

Rear Springs like Hotchkis or GW work well.

Wider wheels and tires.

disc brakes if you don't allready have them.

check steering box for play, it can be adjusted or rebuilt.

eh Mark, email me, and we can talk about this further, I'm in Toronto as well, but like David stated you need to first make a decision on what you want to do with the car and its suspension, you can spend thousands on the front end, it all depends on your goals and your wallet

another thing, I suggest that if you want to do all the work yourself, then goto Princess Auto, and buy a cheap spring tool, etc.. or you can even rent the stuff from Canadian tire, I'm not a fan of canadian tire, most of the guys working there dont know sh--, just go there and get your parts, whatever you decide you need, and make sure its good quality.. MOOG, last thing you want to do is install cheap stuff only to have to change it over again...