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Discussion starter · #22 ·
He was going to paint the car yellow, hence the yellow block. It wasn't painted with a spray can, it's a urethane heat restant paint, nice job. He''s going to spray it Chevy Orange if I or someone wants to buy it.


UPDATED SITUATION Need advice:

He called me this AM and wants to sell the entire package for $15k
He's in a bit of a cash flow dilemma. now what do I do..... :clonk:
 
I'd go $10K and tell him to keep the 396 and sell it to someone else. Then drop a GM crate 350 or 383 in it and have some fun.

Seriously though, does the car come with a trans, bellhousing, and new clutch, dirvehaft, everything to make it driveable? If the car is solid, you are starting to approach where you could almost get into it and not lose anything if you have to sell.

I sort of doubt your estimate on how much it would cost to pay someone to put it together, because it looks like more than 60 hours of work to me, but if you could just farm out the bigger jobs and handle the small bolt on stuff yourself, you might be in the ballpark.

A frost green, 69 Camaro SS 4 speed car is a nice ride, small block or big block. If you have the cash and aren't worried about finishing it and having to sell it in a year, you probably won't lose money. They are only going up, and there are more than a few of us who thought a relatively short time ago (10 years?) that $10K was steep for a running, driving big block first gen. Now I think all of us would buy as many as we could get at that.

I'm going to go back over your posts from the beginning and see if I see any big ticket items missing, but I think you're getting really close...
 
I went back and saw you mentioned a new clutch and PP, and I will assume that a Muncie and 69 shifter (should have a Hurst handle, the upper part of the handle is round shaft and the lower is rectangular and fits into the shifter itself in a slide in/press fit (no through bolts) configuration...this is a 69 only shifter, not reproduced, and originals are hard to come by and fairly pricey).

If I was you, I would see when one of the local TC guys like Van, Dennis, or dragsterman is available, and let a first gen guy crawl all over it. You'd have to swear them into behaving themselves and not buying it for themselves (Van has enough 69s, I think...). If he came down $5K in a few days (or less than a day), maybe $12K cash gets the car. I'd still try to get it without the motor, because I'm not wild about a solid lifter street car. Good luck!

Oh, and if you get it, make sure you continue to hang out here with your fellow Camaro deviants. Even if you don't get it, I'm sure you'll be looking for another.
 
Eric,
Thanks for the ideas, mine is a La car by the way. Been sitting quite awhile so the 375hp timing decal I believe to be orig. On the Backups , your right I was more refering to location. Some butchers just hack 'em in anywhere! Vinman, I would like to check out that car if you don't want it,how to contact? I'm in the Bay Area as well.
 
Discussion starter · #26 ·
ANOTHER UPDATE:

The motor HAD solid lifters in it when it was taken apart, now it doesn't. He built it Hydraulic. No every couple months valve adjusting needed.

About the 4k for assembly, that was 1k higher than what I was quoted. Here's the scenario.... the guy I would buy this from owns a parts shop, he supplies resto parts to a local guy who does restorations. The resto guy told him 2k-3k CASH to put it together, I added another 1k on top of that.

I have been searching 4speed SS cars w/ BB on ebay, craigs list, old car trader..... etc.... and non motor numbers matching cars are going for 25k min. Mostly $30k+. The only thing that is not 100% certain is if this was an X22 car which would mean it had a BB originally. If it did, I can not imagine that me building this for $25k is not a good deal. It would be a 4speed SS car that had a BB and it still would be that car, just non numbers block. Unless I'm missing some secret Camaro club web page where a car like this would only go for $20K. Now if this was a SB car.... then I would agree that 25K is not a good deal. You guys are all great and I'm going to list my cell phone here 408-802-8705. I need advice...... :clonk:

I can't scroll back to page 1 of this thread, but someone said with the numbers I listed there was not a 100% certain way to confirm it was a BB car, right?

VinMan out.....
 
Discussion starter · #28 ·
Latest update:

The build sheet was above the gas tank, it's in pretty bad shape but there was the engine code on it and the car was an original L78 car with an M22 (still has the M22)

Does this make it worth a little more that it is a confirmed SS L78 BB 4-speed car?

VinMan out.....
 
VinMan,
Great find!! If the broadcast copy still shows the VIN (top left) and you can read the engine ID box confirming it's an original L78, the value definitley increases in my opinion.......With a date correct replacement block I would guess it's worth at least 4-5K more with the broadcast copy.

JMHO
Doug
 
Discussion starter · #31 ·
good question Erik...... I'll let you know. Probably not which would not be very ethical
 
Hey, it's not unfair or unethical if the guy needs the cash and you are there with it. It's a win win in my book. Not having the correct or even close to date matching engine is still going to hurt that car, and finding a correct 69 L78 block can't be easy or cheap.

I was going to mention a lot earlier in this thread about the possibility of the build sheet, since it's a Los Angeles car. I was half afraid you'd find it prior to the sale, and see what happened?

Man, I AM an unethical SOB! Okay, not really, but I do go a little nuts when I see values being set based on what a car once was vs. what it is now. It can never be what it was; you can get close, and then have a bunch of us yahoos pick it apart because the goo to paint orifice ratio is all wrong (that one's for you HBC!) :)

Nevermind, I'm babbling...
 
Who decoded the buildsheet?? Box 172 would have to have the right code in it.
 
Discussion starter · #36 ·
I'm trying to BUY IT. He's going to call me this evening to work a deal. I'll let you know what happens.

I wonder I could sell that 396 for to a 65-66 Chevelle guy who wants a block in his/her car that matches the year. Not a bad idea. BUt.... I still would have a nice brand new balanced 396 that I know will run strong.

getting ahead of myself.....

L8
VinMan out.....
 
Discussion starter · #38 ·
after a month of nothing..... the deal might be back on the table. The guy had some major family issues come up (one of his adult kids has some major issues no need to go into further details)

So the deal is back on the table and since the build sheet says COPO on it and it seems to be a real L78 car, he wats $18k for everything. I'm going to take pictures of the build sheet and let you experts dissect it.

Stay tuned......
VinMan out......
 
My .02 cents:

Rear RS backup lamps are too low, no RS grommet hole in the firewall, probably not an RS.
No bolt hole in front sub frame center horn, car didn't come with spoilers originally.
Center of the dash carrier does not have a clock in it, so the car didn't come with the console gauges and tach originally.
Heater core inside the car is from a small block.
2 fuel lines indicates L48.
Hood springs look like SS hood springs (does it have 28 coils), so ZL2 is added.

Best I can figure is its an L48/M20 car.
 
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