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jeff5347

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Below are 2 links to 2 tstats i have. The first is the regular type you can get at any parts store and the 2nd is a mr. gasket/ milodon style. They both are 160* stats and open at the same time. The brass colored one looks like it would let more flow thru per minute. What are your thoughts or preferences

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM%2D360160&N=4294888853+4294888524+115&autoview=sku

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=MIL%2D16400&N=4294888853+4294888524+115&autoview=sku
 
160 wont let your engine warm up enough to burn off start up fuel that washes into the oil. Holding the heat in the system until at least 180, gets the engine hotter and allows that heat to burn off un-used fuels plus most everyone has found that the warmer engine just runs better. They were designed for the 180 stats too :) You can hop into the 'heating cooling' section and use the 'search' to read other viewpoints that mostly agree on this. :)
 
jeff5347 said:
also what about drilling 2-3 holes in the tstat to let air bubbles out?
The Milodon and Mr Gasket don't need a hole as pressure in the system doesn't effect their opening like the std one... I would only add a hole if you had a high flow water pump anyway...
 
As I'm having my own issues with overheating these days, I was boiling regular and Mr. Gasket thermostats tonight on my stove and found the stock unit from my new crate engine opened at 185 and closed about 180. The Mr. Gasket opened about 185 but closed at about 170. Crude experiment with a meat thermometer but it was interesting to watch. Pretty accurate assuming the meat thermometer is right.
 
jeff5347 said:
why 180 over a 160
Just to add to what Jim as provided... Typically these engines don't make as much power until the 180-200 deg range. Don't confuse the fact that guys with modern computer controled lt-1's and ls-1's etc install 160 stats as a power adder. What it does in the computer controled engine is trick the computer into giving up some extra timing and that's where they get the power. You need the stat and a re-program for it to work.

If you run a 160 stat in our cars the stat will open, the system will flow, and the temp will come up to what ever the cooling system and running engine balance out to. That's typically more than 160 and the stat will never close again. Say you have a good cooling system and it balances at 170 degs. Your engine will never get to 180 and you have a slight loss of power and the engine may never quite that wot sputter like a cold engine.

Switch to a 180 stat and now no fluid flows until the stat opens, the engine is properly warm and as the system starts to cool things down to 170. The stat closed when the temp goes below 180 and the cycle starts all over. You have a system that can maintain 170 without a stat but with teh stat your temps are much more consistant. There is nothing like looking down and seeing that needle on the magic number of 180 all day.

All this is very basic, more HP makes more heat, different water pumps, core sizes and type of fan all come to play so if things don't dial in on my numbers look at your system components.

My iron headed stroker with a brass modine core, stock pump and aftermarket (low dollar from summit) five blade and clutch runs just at 180 until the weather gets into the 90's and then climbs up to no more than 190 under any condition. The alum headed 350 with a stock AC core stock pump and stock fan runs 180 no matter what or where so far and I've had it out in over 100 deg temps.
 
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see my problem is a little different. i ran the regular 160 tstat and even with that in it never went below 180-185 once warmed up. on a cool night maybe 60-70 degrees it may stay near 190 idling and 175-180 driving. But on a hot 90 degree or so day driving it goes to 185 and wont go lower and idling (getting gas, or whatever ) it climbs up to 220-230-235 then igotta move to get the thing cool. I have a 3 core rad and had a blck magic elec fan when all this is happening. So im looking into alt to keep it at a consistant temp. Got a taurus fan and ordered the dc controller so hopefully once the controller comes i can report back with better idling temps and much more consistant , even temps no matter what the car is doing.
 
The equation for heat transfer is basically:

Q = -hA(Ts – T)

Ts is the surface temperature of the radiator, T is the temperature of the surrounding air. You can see that increasing T will result in a corresponding rise in Ts if you are to remove the same amount of heat. It is a very difficult task to keep the engine temperature constant when the cooling air is increasing in temperature.
 
jeff5347 said:
But on a hot 90 degree or so day driving it goes to 185 and wont go lower and idling (getting gas, or whatever ) it climbs up to 220-230-235 then igotta move to get the thing cool. I have a 3 core rad and had a blck magic elec fan when all this is happening.
You also may have the problem of recirculating hot air through the radiator.

You might open the hood and check those places, radiator support-to-header panel on the top and bottom. You could make cardboard templates, duct tape them in place, and experiment. Anything you do to provide a longer path will be beneficial.

Look at the bottom of the rad support. Air comes out the shroud, and if sitting idling, air can be sucked into the radiator from underneath.

There's also those spots by the headlamp buckets needing blocking off, maybe.
 
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