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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...tem&ih=007&item=170029002957&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEBI:IT&rd=1#ebayphotohosting

I have been bidding on this car, I am frustrated with the pictures and answers I am getting from the seller. I would like to believe this is a real Z but I just cant tell. What do you guys think, elaboratly built clone or numbers matching? (I have been looking for several years for a numbers matching project) I dont like the way the motor appears to be much cleaner than the rest of the car.
What specific questions could I ask to prove?
Thanks!
Mark
 
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I was thinking the same thing, the intake and the brake booster and master sure don't match the alternator. No Tic Toc Tach? Not sure if that was mandatory or not. Dark pics also?? May just be a 68 Camaro, seller being short with answers would tell me to run or at least walk fast!
 
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What about the casting date of 1/26/7 on the heads. Isnt this a little bit early for a dec 68 built car?
 
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01B is week 2 of Jan 68 isn't it?

The booster, MC, dist block and hard lines all look to have been spray painted. Exhaust manifolds are newer replacements with the thick bars above the plugs. The intake looks to have clear coat on it too but not an ounce of it says the cars a fake. It's 39 years old and who knows it's total history.

Mark if you are serious you need to be looking the car over in person or sending a proxy in your place that you trust... There is a good chance this car is real with an orig drive train and that's the only way to validate a '68 without doc's...
 
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I'm pretty sure the casting date numbers on the heads are "I"'s and not 1's. That would put them in the right timeframe, but both of my heads were cast on the same date, I will have to check to see how close they were to the block's casting date. You could get the Z without the tic-toc-tach, if the car was ordered without the console gauges.

'68s are always the biggest gamble, unless the car has some solid documentation. I would ask to see the rear end stampings, the radiator tag, the leaf springs and a picture of tire inflation sticker before I would even begin to consider purchasing the car.

The engine and other engine bay components do look rather freshened up compared to the rest of the car, but maybe they got started and realized how expensive the hobby is, or maybe they thought a cleaned up engine and engine bay would help the car sell. At least part of the car has been repainted, there is no Camaro emblem on the decklid, nor is there a cutout in the stripe.
 
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Yes you are correct, 1B is the 2nd week of Jan, that still puts the heads on a rack for 1 year before assembly. The problem with the block casting is it seems to be the only one used in 68 so it would be likely to be cloned, he just emailed me that the car has been repainted and he assures me it is an original, although how he can be sure I dont know, I have asked for prior owners names but he says he cant come up with them.
 
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I am curious, if the 68 camaros used the same block, how did they build them for the different applications? Is it possible to verify a Z28 by the pistons & crank, could say a 327 or 350 be altered to mimic a Z28 in every way?
 
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So an I would denote a Sept cast head, that seems more likely, although it is still off by 4 months, is that possible?
 
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The spread of dates is really quite a stretch. My car has dates within weeks of the trim tag info. This could be a complete engine out of another car that was restamped. Explaining why the engine dates line up, but not to the date of the car. I know a 327 used the same block as the 302s, but I cannot say for sure whether a 350 did as well.
 
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He owns a classic car replacement parts site on the internet, he maybe even restores cars I dont know. When I asked him for the wheel codes he said the car was at his shop.
 
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Like ZZMike said UH radiator tag, tire sticker on glove box door (the correct one) DF wheels etc. I said to run because it sounded as though the seller was being vague in answering questions. Also, all the number pics are terrible. I bought one in the 90's (MO was gone) with no docs but everything else was there which made my decision for me.
I hope its real and I hope you get it.
 
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Mike, the decklid is equiped with a spoiler, so there wouldnt be an emblem, he did say the car had been painted though.
 
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My car came with spoilers, and it has an emblem. Where did you gather this piece of information, it appears to be incorrect.
 
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Here is one more thing, when I look up the head castings numbers I see they were used in 67 & 68. It so happens that they moved the temp sender from the intake to the head in may of 67, these seem to be the only heads used for the 302 in 1968, so if I could get him to look for a plug in the head I could verify this. The pictures of this car clearly show the temp unit in the intake manifold. Now I am really confused. Does anyone have a 68 Z28 with a temp unit in the intake?
 
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I have a 67 with a spoiler and it has no rear emblem on the trunk.
 
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Rear bumper guards are missing.

The date code on the heads could also be "L" (Dec.) which would fit. You're right, the 68 291 heads will be drilled and tapped for the temp sensor.

As others have said, it looks legit from what can be seen. I would check it out in person before buying, though.
 
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