I know this question has been asked many times before,but I'm not sure I ever got a correct answer. What shade of black is the rear panel suppose to be on a the big block cars from 67 to 69? I've heard everything from semi-gloss to gloss. Please someone clear this up once and for all.
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I know this question has been asked many times before,but I'm not sure I ever got a correct answer. What shade of black is the rear panel suppose to be on a the big block cars from 67 to 69? I've heard everything from semi-gloss to gloss. Please someone clear this up once and for all.
How many colors of black did Fisher have to use when they painted the rear tail panel?
It's either firewall semigloss black, or Tuxedo Black, which is a gloss, that's the only black the paint shops had. Personally, I think it's the firewall black, because it would have been painted the same time the firewall was being sprayed.
It's either firewall semigloss black, or Tuxedo Black, which is a gloss, that's the only black the paint shops had. Personally, I think it's the firewall black, because it would have been painted the same time the firewall was being sprayed.
Apparantly, for every one like Charley's, there's one that is not full gloss black. I looked at an unrestored one at the Yenko Reunion this year, and it was definately not gloss. No sign of gloss on the tail pan or the trunk opening. To an untrained eye like mine, it appeared to be about 70-80%.
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My $.02+ worth, 12E VanNuys 1968 ss/rs 396 car that has been painted 3 times, with 80K orig miles.
I took some parts in to my plater for silver cad, so I decided to drop the gas tank and send the filler neck in to the platers (Originally appears to be galvanized but figured Cad will do). Now the filler neck has a flange at the top where it bolts to the tail pan (includes rubber neck sleeve). Under the flange was untouched semi-gloss black paint. Around 60% (kind of subjective)
gloss. Took a picture with a point and shoot 35mm and did not come out very well account cheap camera and flash to close.
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Could this just be an issue of different processes and materials at different plants?
The photo's of survivor cars are incredible and speak volumes.
I am also looking at a color 4x6 photo (35MM Canon ELAN) of Kevin S's 1968 very low mileage 8,600mi orig paint orange DANA conversion car tail pan shot I took in Seattle 2002 show.
SEMI gloss black.
I for one can not figure there is any one correct way, other than OVER restored?
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I took some parts in to my plater for silver cad, so I decided to drop the gas tank and send the filler neck in to the platers (Originally appears to be galvanized but figured Cad will do). Now the filler neck has a flange at the top where it bolts to the tail pan (includes rubber neck sleeve). Under the flange was untouched semi-gloss black paint. Around 60% (kind of subjective)
gloss. Took a picture with a point and shoot 35mm and did not come out very well account cheap camera and flash to close.
Could this just be an issue of different processes and materials at different plants?
The photo's of survivor cars are incredible and speak volumes.
I am also looking at a color 4x6 photo (35MM Canon ELAN) of Kevin S's 1968 very low mileage 8,600mi orig paint orange DANA conversion car tail pan shot I took in Seattle 2002 show.
SEMI gloss black.
I for one can not figure there is any one correct way, other than OVER restored?
Jim
The gloss level is the same one, (same lacquer paint) that was used on the lower dash area (on black interior cars) about 60% gloss. Remember, lacquers can be sprayed differently,i.e. temperature, pressure etc. and will differ from car to car. Waxing or buffing will increase a lower gloss to a higher gloss, which is why you will see different glosses even on low mile original cars.
Your answer on the black matching the black on the lower dash area seems right on the money as does your answer on the polishing, which explains the high gloss on the pictures posted. Now, was your answer addressing the tail panel black only or does it apply also to the RS black? And if I go to the local paint supplier can I request a 60% gloss black and will he know what I am talking about? I have some photos of a 68 RS/SS big block taken back in 68, i will see about getting the pictures scanned and try to post them
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I am far, and I do mean far, from being the "camaro expert" that many of the posters on this site are, and I mean that respectfully. Myself, I have been on this site for years and have just starting posting about a year ago but I don't feel the need to chime in at every moment, like some others that like to hear themselves type! lol
That being said, I try to gather information from people who are "so-called experts" i.e. Jerry MacNeish. Although he is probably regarded as more of a Z expert rather that an SS expert, his book does address this topic. For the record, he states that the aforementioned panel is "satin black" color. Based on this information, and many, many other cars that I have personally seen at shows, etc. I had my tail panel re-painted satin black, from the gloss black that it was when I found it. Even the guy I bought it from stated that it was wrong (he wasn't an expert either).
Anyway, right, wrong or indifferent, we can only base this color on published information from reliable sources or better yet, true survivor cars that are still out there. I would bet that there are more cars with the satin, or 60% gloss than there are the full gloss panel. Is that correct or incorrect. It's like the old tootsie-pop commercial with the owl licking the pop, he says "the world may never know".
That being said, I try to gather information from people who are "so-called experts" i.e. Jerry MacNeish. Although he is probably regarded as more of a Z expert rather that an SS expert, his book does address this topic. For the record, he states that the aforementioned panel is "satin black" color. Based on this information, and many, many other cars that I have personally seen at shows, etc. I had my tail panel re-painted satin black, from the gloss black that it was when I found it. Even the guy I bought it from stated that it was wrong (he wasn't an expert either).
Anyway, right, wrong or indifferent, we can only base this color on published information from reliable sources or better yet, true survivor cars that are still out there. I would bet that there are more cars with the satin, or 60% gloss than there are the full gloss panel. Is that correct or incorrect. It's like the old tootsie-pop commercial with the owl licking the pop, he says "the world may never know".
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Here's another pic of Charlie's 7000 mile orig paint car... I'll agree that polishing and waxing will have some impact on the gloss of a semi gloss finish but not this much...
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If you do a search on the subject I posted some pic's a while back showing an area that isn't likely to be polished or waxed and the gloss level was there too... I've know Charlie for a while and between his knowledge and that of some of the company he keeps I'd rate it on par with Jerry or anyone else with respect to these old cars. The only difference is Jerry has been published. You can also do some searching and find that many of the "paint" facts published by Jerry are questionable. That's not an attack on Jerry, who he is or what he knows...
If you do a search on the subject I posted some pic's a while back showing an area that isn't likely to be polished or waxed and the gloss level was there too... I've know Charlie for a while and between his knowledge and that of some of the company he keeps I'd rate it on par with Jerry or anyone else with respect to these old cars. The only difference is Jerry has been published. You can also do some searching and find that many of the "paint" facts published by Jerry are questionable. That's not an attack on Jerry, who he is or what he knows...
My Yenko has 7000 miles on it. Brian Henderson has known the car since about new.He acquired it a few years ago and sold it a maybe a year ago. Brian Henderson and Joe Sweezey own Supercar Workshop and do what I consider the most correct Restorations I have seen. Here is a quote from Brian. "Charlie, your car never sat outside a day and was never washed with a hose. I know all the owners from 1971 on personally. It always was in heated dry storage...BKH". I can understand People thinking that the paint shines from waxing or washing but that is not the case with this car. You can even look around and under the trunk weatherstrip and it is gloss. The other car that I took pics of that Djd has were of a 68 L78 car that I saw at Barrett-Jackson a couple years ago. It was the nicest untouched 68 I have seen. The tail panel on it was Gloss also. I made sure to look at that car closely with this question in mind. Brian is working 69 BB Car right now. Here is his comment...."We are working on an original paint garnet red car with only 209 miles. The original tail panel is a satin color now, but the trunk lip and under the rubber is gloss. The car has had exposure to the sun. The panel has not been repainted. It's an X66 car. Just to add to the confusion...BKH". All I know is the last two cars I have closely examined have Gloss Black and were not polished to that Gloss. I will try to have the Yenko out so others can also see what I am talking about.
No, I don't think so. Only the first batch of Yenkos was ordered as X66 big block SS's. The rest were ordered as X44 and X11 Camaros. It's the X codes that would have told Fisher to paint the tail panels Black so only X22 and X66 cars have that trim. If they have it now, they must have been painted in Cannonburg before delivery to the owner.
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Does anybody have a picture of the blacked out tail panel with the bumper off. I want to paint mine back to original and add the blacked out tail panel. I need to know that the lower lines are and the trunk area if possible. I do not see it in the fisher body book
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