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Ok Camaro team, let me know what you think...EBAY ...Item number: 200072591250......The new GAME SHOW a spin-off of DEAL OR NO DEAL...REAL or NOT REAL...Z/28...Can you tell me....Is it REAL or NOT REAL.....Lovely Gift ....open the case....
 
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try to post the link when you want folks to go to a site for something. Hard to tell for sure but if the build sheet does in fact have the VIN numbers to confirm the engine, then its highly likely its a true Z. Others far more experienced at this will chime in Im sure. Here is the link.
Ebay Ad for Camaro Z
 
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1969 Camaro Dude said:
Seems a little strange the winner of the auction get a chance to buy original motor.:noway:
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Not what it says... He has a 350 vette motor in the car and he rounded up a 302 that is date coded within a couple weeks of the car that the buyer has the opportunity to buy...
 
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fiveforty said:
The top left section that has the VIN and body # on the tag is not intact on the build sheet.
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I noticed that too.. he also states that people were trying to buy the build sheet from him...that's the reason.

If that car without original motor is worth 22K or.. 25k he stated he would stop the auction for, then my Van Nuys Z with original everything in similiar condition must be worth 40K... what happened to the days not too long ago back when you could get a real nice Z for 25k :)
 
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Thanks guys...you know I think it is strange and you know the saying if it is too good to be true....I am no expert by all means but the no tach thing ..is this correct? ...I thought that there is a standard set of "must haves" to be a real Z and in 69 the 7k tach was one of them....gotta love the old days....
 
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No.. I have seen a few Z/28s with no tach. The tach was an option .. I do not remember if during later production the tach became standard or not.

I just hope people didn't go down for the car because of the build sheet... But if it has the correct 660 gear box with VIN that is correct then I believe it would either have to be a Z or a BB car so that in itself would be telling. That car looks like it has orange paint on the top of the cowl..... Van Nuys Z 28's had the top of the cowl painted stripe color so it should be either black or white... but I would need to see better pics.
 
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I own an 01D VN Z with no tach/gauges. Tach was an option at that time according to the factbook by JM.
 
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Definitely, the tach and gauges were an option for all '69 V-8 (don't know or care about the 6-poppers, but probably them too) Camaros including the Z/28. They were not standard. The console would then also have to be standard and it wasn't. RPO z28 got you n44 steering and 4 leaf rear springs, disc brakes, DZ302 motor with dual exhaust, close ratio 4 speed (the m22 if you wanted to pay extra, but it wasn't standard either), and a 12 bolt rear with 3.73 gears standard but not necessarily mandatory as I read it. I think the posi was standard, but I'm not positive. That's it besides the badging for an X77. No trim* (not even sure about the stripes), gauges, cowl hood, console, spoilers or anything else. Later in production I do believe you got the rear spoiler with it. X33 was a trim-only option that upgraded the base X77 Z28 and could include, but did not have to, the Rally Sport option. And we all know a/c was verbotten. I think the car is probably the real deal. Fine with me. With all (or most) of the right parts in all the right places and no glaring evidence to the contrary, why disrespect or doubt it?
*[as for the "no trim", I can vouch for once owning a 100% unmolested X44, plain jane 307, automatic on the tree, power steering, manual drum brake, '69 Camaro that had deluxe seat belts in its standard red interior and black hockey stick stripes on its garnet red exterior for no better reason other than the factory must have been out of standard red seat belts when it came down the line and some factory dude got a wild hair about putting the stripes on and just did it. Maybe by mistake? Easier to just leave them on than to remove them. The stripes were not put on by the first owner and I was the second. Maybe the dealer did it, but why? Strange things sometimes happened in those days of GM strikes and huge production with tons of options.]
 
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Tach was an option until later production(I think after May-June?),as was D80, the front and rear spoiler package. These two options were standard after that. Posi was an option as well. My 10C X33 Z was a flat hood,tach car,no console,with center fuel gauge, and open rear. Car has 46K original miles, and was a drag car most of its life. Still has the original riveted ball joints,GM pedal pads,and unmolested door hinges with the GM plastic bushings.
 
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Don't forget Hi-Po bumper guards will be found on every Z's rear bumper which this car also has:)
 
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3forme said:
Don't forget Hi-Po bumper guards will be found on every Z's rear bumper which this car also has:)
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But those can be bolted on... for a Van Nuys Z it has to be documentation that can be authenticated and has the VIN on it. Or it has to be the engine or the trans.. both of which have the VIN. A 660 trans will be either a Z or BB car so for this car if the trans is original to the car I would want to see the date cade and the VIN stamp , have it authenticated to make sure it is not a restamp and then I would feel more confortable.
That being said it would seems unlikely that a partial broadcast/build sheet , even without the VIN section , would be floating around and that someone would put the package together... however .. it has happened before. It is just amazing that a car in that condition would sell for that much without the original motor....
 
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Based on the prices of Z's these days it is my observation that a true Z28 without the original drivetrain that is not a rust bucket that sells for what was it like $22,000+/- is about right. Fully restored z's missing original engines sell all the time for 40k - 50k depending on the quality of the restoration. My .02
 
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bdzee said:
Based on the prices of Z's these days it is my observation that a true Z28 without the original drivetrain that is not a rust bucket that sells for what was it like $22,000+/- is about right. Fully restored z's missing original engines sell all the time for 40k - 50k depending on the quality of the restoration. My .02
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I would say you are correct.. and this car had the auction stopped when the bid was 22k so it may have sold for more...he states in the auction that he would close for 25K.
 
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Chaindrive said:
Definitely, the tach and gauges were an option for all '69 V-8 (don't know or care about the 6-poppers, but probably them too) Camaros including the Z/28. They were not standard. The console would then also have to be standard and it wasn't. RPO z28 got you n44 steering and 4 leaf rear springs, disc brakes, DZ302 motor with dual exhaust, close ratio 4 speed (the m22 if you wanted to pay extra, but it wasn't standard either), and a 12 bolt rear with 3.73 gears standard but not necessarily mandatory as I read it. I think the posi was standard, but I'm not positive. That's it besides the badging for an X77. No trim* (not even sure about the stripes), gauges, cowl hood, console, spoilers or anything else. Later in production I do believe you got the rear spoiler with it. X33 was a trim-only option that upgraded the base X77 Z28 and could include, but did not have to, the Rally Sport option. And we all know a/c was verbotten. I think the car is probably the real deal. Fine with me. With all (or most) of the right parts in all the right places and no glaring evidence to the contrary, why disrespect or doubt it?
*[as for the "no trim", I can vouch for once owning a 100% unmolested X44, plain jane 307, automatic on the tree, power steering, manual drum brake, '69 Camaro that had deluxe seat belts in its standard red interior and black hockey stick stripes on its garnet red exterior for no better reason other than the factory must have been out of standard red seat belts when it came down the line and some factory dude got a wild hair about putting the stripes on and just did it. Maybe by mistake? Easier to just leave them on than to remove them. The stripes were not put on by the first owner and I was the second. Maybe the dealer did it, but why? Strange things sometimes happened in those days of GM strikes and huge production with tons of options.]
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RPO Z28 did not get you a close ratio transmission. There are lots of documented Z28's with M20 wide ratio transmissions. I would even say its common. Deluxe or standard seat belts have nothing to do with standard or deluxe interior. Have seen and owned many unrestored cars with deluxe belts in standard interior cars and standard belts in deluxe interior cars.
 
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