A guy at the track had a beautiful paint job. I asked him what color it was and he said candy apple. It didn`t look like it cause it was a maroon almost, so i told him that. He said that you put a rhino gray metallic down then spray the candy apple on, the more coats the darker it gets. I am goint to pain my car that with 2 black racing stripes but when i got to the paint place what do i tell them for the color? also has anyon heard of this? if so can u show some pictures?
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A guy at the track had a beautiful paint job. I asked him what color it was and he said candy apple. It didn`t look like it cause it was a maroon almost, so i told him that. He said that you put a rhino gray metallic down then spray the candy apple on, the more coats the darker it gets. I am goint to pain my car that with 2 black racing stripes but when i got to the paint place what do i tell them for the color? also has anyon heard of this? if so can u show some pictures?
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I may be wrong but candy apple colors have just about vanished from the face of the earth. I seem to remember a painter friend saying something about the ingredients needed to do it right are not allowed by the epa any longer. If you ever say a true candy apple red paint job you would never forget it...
My 75 Camaro is Candy Apple Red Metallic. It was painted in 1999. That paint job still turns heads at the car shows. The color used is a 1998 Chrysler color. My body shop uses Sikkens paints and they do fantastic work. They have also painted my wifes 69 in Ingigo Blue. They will repaint my 93 Z next year.
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Most paint co. have custom paint charts.Duponts is called Hot hues,not sure about others.It has all the pearls,candies and tricoats.Its basically a tricoat color.Tricoats are very common. Candy apple is a pretty generic name,not a specific color.Check out some paint charts at your paint supplier.
House of Kolor has those custom colors for sure.
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House of Kolor has those custom colors for sure.
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DjD, Candy Apple paints used to be sprayed using Refrigerants as Propellants ( so I was told by the guy that is going to paint my car ) the Reason being was they were usually mixed thinner then other paints and subject to Run and clot the metal flake, the Refrigerant kept the paint cooled thus more dense when it hit the body and then the flake wouldnt clot.
Just what I was told not sure of its Authenticity
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Just what I was told not sure of its Authenticity
The original candy paints were a lacquer. They were sprayed over either a silver or gold metalic base and top coated with clear. The color depended on how many coats of "candy" were put over the base color. The candy colors were closely related to standard toner colors.
The problem was UV rays and checked (cracked, looks like a shattered door glass) clear over time. They didn't live very long, especially on a street car.
All the American car manufacturers have a "candy type" three step red available on newer cars. I've never experimented with it using different colors but it might be possible. House of Kolor has quite a few candy colors available.
The problem was UV rays and checked (cracked, looks like a shattered door glass) clear over time. They didn't live very long, especially on a street car.
All the American car manufacturers have a "candy type" three step red available on newer cars. I've never experimented with it using different colors but it might be possible. House of Kolor has quite a few candy colors available.
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I have painted several bikes in the past with this system. After the primer you put a coat of silver metallic followed by a transparant basecoat of red. This basecoat dried flat and then you put on the final coats of clear wich resulted in a very deep "candy" color. The trick was to make sure the transparant basecoat was of a constant thickness, because after the clear you could get darker and lighter areas. This was not to difficult on small bikes, but a lot more on cars.
And if you ever get damage to the paint (chip, ding, dent) then the entire panel would have to be repainted---pretty tough luck if it is on a rear quarter. There is no way to blend. Same is true for pearl & chromatic or any 3 (or more)-stage paint.
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DeeJayGee, that's one nice car, no regrets selling it? What did you do to the window trim? But i believe "Candy Apple Red" is the name of this particular color, and this was not a "Candy" type of paint, but i can be wrong. Please read my previous reply, is this the way you applied it, if so it just might be the picture not showing the color right.
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Im not sure who's car this is but my niece took this pic in Bowling Green show, and this red is awesome. Wonder who it belongs to in TC here? This is link to 24 pics of cars she took there.
http://www.brainerd.net/~knudsen/Bowling/
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My RS www.brainerd.net/~knudsen/69RS
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My RS www.brainerd.net/~knudsen/69RS
NHRA, what candy is has been described already. You know that it is a tinted clear that is shot over base color. That base color and the amount of coats of the candy will determine what the finished color will look like.
So, no one can tell you what color you are dealing with unless the actual base color is known and the candy along with amount of coats is known.
You could take the base that was used and change it a little by adding more metallic or something and TOTALLY change the finished color. Likewise with the candy, a different "red" (maybe a different manufacture) and or different amount of coats and you will have a completely different color.
This should be "overwhelming" candies are VERY hard to shoot without getting modeling or stripes from the passes of the gun. If you see a single color candy on a car that is even and perfect, give the painter kudos, he is a real painter.
By the way, a candy or pearl cannot be seen worth a darn on the computer screen. If yo think that Camaro of Deejaygees looks good on your monitor it would knock your socks off in person.
djunod, that is an "old husbands tale," they can be blended just like any other color. With a true candy like silver base and a few coats of candy it is much harder but the candy that is on a new car it is not hard at all. Chryslers "Candy Apple Red" for instance is a breeze to blend at least with Sherwin Williams paint. The base is a bluish red color, and you simply paint it over the primer spot blending it out on the panel. Then you spray the tinted clear out over the base you just laid and blend it out the SAME distance. The very first one I did was UNDETECTABLE even knowing where the repair was, I was quite proud of my self
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What you do is spray a "let down card." That is where you spray a test card with the base color then mask off the test card (a 6 by 8 inch piece of hard glossy paper provided by paint companies for color matches) leaving a two inch strip exposed. You apply a coat of candy over this strip. Then you unmask it and move up another two inches and spray another coat. This has now gave you two coats on the first strip. You now move it up again and spray another coat. Now you have three on the first strip, two on the second and one on the last. You move up again and spray, now you have four on the first, three on the second, two on the third and one on the last. You can do this as many times as you want. Now you have a "let down" of what the color will look like with many different amounts of coats added. You put the test card up on the car and see how many coats will match the color you have on the car. Then just duplicate that when you spray the repair.
Rsmith1969, I have been in this business for 25 years and have never heard that. I have even met Joe Bailon the "inventor" of the candy apple paint (though he really didn't invent it, because like most custom paint it is simply a controlled mistake) and have talked with other legendary custom painters like Bill Reasoner and he even told me about thinning out enamel paint and spraying it over a base making a candy, so I am not sure if that was just an experiment your source had done or something like that. Custom painting is like racing, a guy will try ANYTHING to get a new effect.
Toby, the biggest reason that the old lacquer candies failed is because there was SO much thinner trapped in the MANY, MANY coats of product on the car. I have sanded old candies off and it is like chewing gum! But you are also correct the UV rays had a lot to do with failures too.
The new modern urethane candies will last just as long as anything else so that shouldn't be a worry now.
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So, no one can tell you what color you are dealing with unless the actual base color is known and the candy along with amount of coats is known.
You could take the base that was used and change it a little by adding more metallic or something and TOTALLY change the finished color. Likewise with the candy, a different "red" (maybe a different manufacture) and or different amount of coats and you will have a completely different color.
This should be "overwhelming" candies are VERY hard to shoot without getting modeling or stripes from the passes of the gun. If you see a single color candy on a car that is even and perfect, give the painter kudos, he is a real painter.
By the way, a candy or pearl cannot be seen worth a darn on the computer screen. If yo think that Camaro of Deejaygees looks good on your monitor it would knock your socks off in person.
djunod, that is an "old husbands tale," they can be blended just like any other color. With a true candy like silver base and a few coats of candy it is much harder but the candy that is on a new car it is not hard at all. Chryslers "Candy Apple Red" for instance is a breeze to blend at least with Sherwin Williams paint. The base is a bluish red color, and you simply paint it over the primer spot blending it out on the panel. Then you spray the tinted clear out over the base you just laid and blend it out the SAME distance. The very first one I did was UNDETECTABLE even knowing where the repair was, I was quite proud of my self
What you do is spray a "let down card." That is where you spray a test card with the base color then mask off the test card (a 6 by 8 inch piece of hard glossy paper provided by paint companies for color matches) leaving a two inch strip exposed. You apply a coat of candy over this strip. Then you unmask it and move up another two inches and spray another coat. This has now gave you two coats on the first strip. You now move it up again and spray another coat. Now you have three on the first strip, two on the second and one on the last. You move up again and spray, now you have four on the first, three on the second, two on the third and one on the last. You can do this as many times as you want. Now you have a "let down" of what the color will look like with many different amounts of coats added. You put the test card up on the car and see how many coats will match the color you have on the car. Then just duplicate that when you spray the repair.
Rsmith1969, I have been in this business for 25 years and have never heard that. I have even met Joe Bailon the "inventor" of the candy apple paint (though he really didn't invent it, because like most custom paint it is simply a controlled mistake) and have talked with other legendary custom painters like Bill Reasoner and he even told me about thinning out enamel paint and spraying it over a base making a candy, so I am not sure if that was just an experiment your source had done or something like that. Custom painting is like racing, a guy will try ANYTHING to get a new effect.
Toby, the biggest reason that the old lacquer candies failed is because there was SO much thinner trapped in the MANY, MANY coats of product on the car. I have sanded old candies off and it is like chewing gum! But you are also correct the UV rays had a lot to do with failures too.
The new modern urethane candies will last just as long as anything else so that shouldn't be a worry now.
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1965 Buick Skylark H/T
1948 Chevy pickup, chopped and sectioned.
"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"
NHRA, I never told you that color that was did I, it is called "Brandy wine" (or a variation of it) and is candy red shot over a black base.
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1965 Buick Skylark Gran Sport Convertible
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1948 Chevy pickup, chopped and sectioned.
"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"
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1965 Buick Skylark Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T
1948 Chevy pickup, chopped and sectioned.
"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MARTINSR:
djunod, that is an "old husbands tale," they can be blended just like any other color.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Great!!! I've read that you can't so many different places, that it has really put me off on using such a color.
What about the chromatics?
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Camaro - '68 327 Coupe, '86 Z-28 IROC 305 TPI
Corvette - '73 Mako Shark II, '82 Cross-fire, '01 Coupe
djunod, that is an "old husbands tale," they can be blended just like any other color.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Great!!! I've read that you can't so many different places, that it has really put me off on using such a color.
What about the chromatics?
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Camaro - '68 327 Coupe, '86 Z-28 IROC 305 TPI
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MartinSr - Can you elaborate on red pigments? Growing up in Santa Barbara I had friends that worked at a shop (Project Design) owned by Sam Foose. I spent a lot of time at the shop and remember many conversations late in the evening. One such conversation had to do with "Candy Apple Red". The jist of the conversation was there was really only one color of red pigment that was used when painting candy apple red and any other shade or varient of that color would not substute and was not considered candy apple red, even though the process for candy was used. I don't know if this was just popular opinion at the time, but believe it had to do with the govt and red dyes being restricted. I also haven't seen the color I recall for about 20 or more years.
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First of all, I am not even remotely close to an experiaced custom painter. I have been around it a long time and "soaked" up some info. I have done a few candy jobs and flames and things like that, but custom painting is a whole different animal from what I have done over the years.
David, let me make my self perfectly clear. A candy apple red shot over a silver base is going to be damn hard to blend. It really depends on where you would do it. If you were to spot paint the center of a door I would say it is going to be pretty tough. But, to a guy shooting candies everyday, I would say it can be done. The factory style candy apple reds and darker brandy wines would be much easier. And a pearl is no problem at all to blend, but again, you still "choose" where you are going to blend to hide it the best. I have not blended the Chromaillusion style paint (if that is what you meant). But I have shot it and it is just like shooting a regular base coat. I would assume if you had the same brand and mix paint it would blend just fine.
Dennis, I think that is another "old husbands tale". There are MANY different red toners. There is a common red toner that used in factory candy reds though. This is not because it is the only one it is for color consistancy. In other words it is for color matching the factory colors.
Like I said, this is diving out of my comfort zone, I don't want to steer you wrong. I would check with HOK and you will see that they have many different colors in their Kandy Kolor line.
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1965 Buick Skylark H/T
1948 Chevy pickup, chopped and sectioned.
"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"
David, let me make my self perfectly clear. A candy apple red shot over a silver base is going to be damn hard to blend. It really depends on where you would do it. If you were to spot paint the center of a door I would say it is going to be pretty tough. But, to a guy shooting candies everyday, I would say it can be done. The factory style candy apple reds and darker brandy wines would be much easier. And a pearl is no problem at all to blend, but again, you still "choose" where you are going to blend to hide it the best. I have not blended the Chromaillusion style paint (if that is what you meant). But I have shot it and it is just like shooting a regular base coat. I would assume if you had the same brand and mix paint it would blend just fine.
Dennis, I think that is another "old husbands tale". There are MANY different red toners. There is a common red toner that used in factory candy reds though. This is not because it is the only one it is for color consistancy. In other words it is for color matching the factory colors.
Like I said, this is diving out of my comfort zone, I don't want to steer you wrong. I would check with HOK and you will see that they have many different colors in their Kandy Kolor line.
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1965 Buick Skylark Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T
1948 Chevy pickup, chopped and sectioned.
"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"
Here is a forum that is sure to have some answers to your questions. I have seen Flash around at sites for a long time, he KNOWS his stuff about custom paint.
http://rwebsite.com/paint
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1965 Buick Skylark Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T
1948 Chevy pickup, chopped and sectioned.
"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"
http://rwebsite.com/paint
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1965 Buick Skylark Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T
1948 Chevy pickup, chopped and sectioned.
"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"
MARTINSR, thanks a ton. i barley expected anyone to know what i was talking about. what would be a good brand to choose this "brandy wine" color or somthing close to it? The local NAPA i get my paint at uses Martin Senur paint. Should i check with that? The guy said the base coat was rhino gray metalic. He said his brother shot it in his driveway. I am going to talk to him if he ever comes back to the track and see if he knows the exacts to the paint and see how willing his brother would be to help me out. but again thanks
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