I have not installed a 4 speed shifter before. My 69 Camaro has an original Muncie 4 speed with Muncie Shifter, says Muncie on the shifter handle. I bought a New Mr Gasket shifter designed for a 69 Camaro with or without console. This shifter is old but still new in the box and all of the parts are still packed in the original packages never opened. It has the mounting plate, shifter rods and all. Got it cheap, so thought I would give it a try. My car does not have a console so that is not a problem. The car also has a fairly large hole that was cut at some time in the tunnel so I can get to the shifter pretty easy from inside the car. They had a metal patch over the hole and rivited. On paper this does not look to difficult. But when I look at it on the car, it seems like it could be difficult. It looks like there is a bracket the shifter is mounted to that goes toward the front of the car to the tranny mount?? Does that bracket stay there or do I remove it? Also, any direction from you experts would be appreciated. I am not planning on taking the tranny out of the car. Would like to be able to do this conversion from under and inside the car through the big hole. Thanks for any help.