Triple A Enterprises is my new hero!!! Sorry ROCKYTWO, I just don't believe in any reproduction documentation. Check the license plate of my Chevelle and you'll understand.

 

Do you really consider a reproduction window sticker to be "documentation"? You gotta be kidding me!

BTW, my 69 is not a Yenko "Clone", it's a Yenko "Tribute".

 

Yes, I do. True story: A guy was referred to me because he was thinking about buying a 69 RS/SS, sight unseen, from a dealer whom I won't name. It was represented as a L89 fully optioned car with the "window sticker". The guy called me and he explained what he was getting ready to do. No matter how much I cautioned him about clones and "tributes" and even pointed out that the car had the wrong transmission and rear end, he went ahead and bought it anyway. Of course, not being schooled on reproduction window stickers, he has since found out the sticker is a fake and has accepted the fact that he spent nearly 70K for a car that probably started out as something much different than what it is now. These clones, "tributes", copycats, fakes or whatever you wish to call them are just that. Why do you think this fine group of Camaro people are so against selling trim tags on ebay or this site? Because it's an attempt to represent a car as something it never was. If you don't think window stickers are bad, what do you think of reproduction protecto-plates? How about fake build sheets? How about restamping motors and calling them original? Where do you draw the line?

I have accepted that all of this stuff happens, but I don't have to like it. Now more than ever, buyer beware!

 

Amen, Travlinz28. You said it all.

 

Hey RockyTwo,
Just buy one of the blank ones from someone like Rick's. Pull out the old ribbon typewriter off of the shelf in the basement and type up your own. If you do it that way...the typewriter font is so different from GMs font even the un-educated buyer should be able to tell the difference. You are just wanting this for giggles right? Not a scammer are you?

 

If I depended upon a window sticker to authenticate a cars originality...I feel I would deserve to be ripped off. Maybe it's just that 70k is harder for me to come by than the guy in your story, but if I dropped that kinda cash, you better believe I would check everything on the car...and probably have a pro with a good rep check it too.

I really can't believe he believed a window sticker...I wouldn't even want to believe a cowl tag this day and time.

Gambitt

 

You have your opinion, and I have mine. I don't think getting a reproduction sticker makes you a "Faker". It's what you do with it. I wouldn't buy a low dollar car based on window sticker....let alone a high dollar car. But that's just me. I'm not condoning restamps, trim tag swaps, vin swaps, etc. I'm defending anyone who thinks it would be cool to have a window sticker to display on his car at shows, etc. showing how the car might have looked in the showroom.


I have a 17th century style queen anne dining room suite, but that does not make me a faker....Even if it had a reproduction tag with Queen Anne's signature nailed to the underside of the table would a collector buy the suite as original based on the signature?

 

ok, i dont want to highjack the thread, and i dont wanna p/o anybody...but with my plain jane, when im done with it, ill be going with a 12 bolt, power disk brakes, built 350, 4-5 speed,... and i will be using MY plane jane tags...and i will NEVER sell it....would it be considerd a "sleazey" move to put ss emblems on it?..IF i was to ever do that, i would NEVER claim it as a ss...in that case would it also be frown'd upon?

 

I don't think so, but I have argued this on here several times and seem to be in the minority. I feel you should do whatever you want to do...it's you car...make it what you want. I don't ever plan to sell my Z...so if I do put a restamped part or two on it, is that a crime? I don't ever plan to misrepresent it...but I get, "Well, some day you won't own it anymore...and it will be sold as all original." Maybe so, but I really can't worry about that. I see supposedly original cars on ebay everyday getting big bucks...when it is more than obvious in the photos they aren't.

All I can do is be responsible as the owner of the car at the present time, and if I ever do sell it, represent it as honestly as I possibly can...after that, I can't worry about it. I can't be responsible for the ethics of everyone out there.

Just my opinion.

 

I have mixed feelings about adding options to a car. There seems to be two catagories of options; regular and premium. A regular option might be an AM/FM radio or a fold down rear seat, few members would frown upon someone adding these options to their car and no one would consider the car a clone. A premium option would be SS or RS and possibly deluxe interior, adding these options to a car somehow makes the car a fake or a clone. To me, they are all Camaro's and therefore something special. Sure, it's great to have one that was born as an SS/RS, but the ones that added the options are not less than a Camaro.
My $.02

 

I agree fully that a car owner should be able to do whatever he wants to his car. I'll admire a nicely done "tribute" just like the next guy. I just think taking the next step to fake documentation is crossing the line.

I just came up with a new way to get rich! I'll begin to produce a tag to be rivited to the firewall, much like a trim tag , that simply said "This car is a Tribute and is not to be mistaken for the real thing". Just think about how many would buy it at the same time they buy their window stickers, protecto-plates and build sheets? Anybody want to invest at the ground floor?

 

I'm lucky enough to have an original 69 Z. Anytime I see another 69 Z...I always glance it over to see how quickly I can tell if it is an authentic Z or not...many times a quick glance through the front wheels tell the story...most will not have disc brakes. It always makes me laugh...but I don't take offense. There are many on ebay that are much more difficult to tell if they are real or not...I'm glad I am not in the market to buy one now...it has gotten really crazy in the last 10-15 years.
If people want to drop that kind of money, it better be fully documented. Personally, If I was dropping serious cash on a first gen right now...I think I would go for the Canadian made cars.

 

If I was dropping serious cash on a first gen right now...I think I would go for the Canadian made cars.

I believe you mean Canadian-DELIVERED cars - none were made in Canada. :thumbsup:

 

There ya go!

 

TravilnZ28,
You make em, and I'll buy one.

My Yenko Tribute was a s/b with a/c. I got all 69 b/b correct a/c parts, including the 69 only brackets and smog tubes.
Anyone who would look at my car (with or without a window sticker) and think it is a real one, is an idiot.

I check with the DMV about twice a year to see if the vanity tag "UNREAL" is available. Someone in Knoxville has had it registered for at least the last 5 years. If I can snag the tag, that will be my license number.

 

I Think Some Of You Are Missing My Point. I Did A Total Restoration Thats Right Total ,all Glass,w/s Seat Belts As Much Original As I Could Find. Car Was An Original 69 Z That Was Green With Ivory H/t Interior.no, I Didnt Want A Z...... Too Many Out There.i Have The Original Tag.
When I Purchased The Car 15 Months Ago The Dz Was Long Gone. It Had A 69 Impala 427 512 Casting # Block In It. Here's What I Did . I Had The 427 Built To 435hp Specs.used All New Tri Power Carbs,nos Heads Form Heartbeat City,his Curved Neck High $$$ Radiator,etc. All The Tri Power Parts Came From Paragon Reproductions, Original Dated Rebuilt M21 With A Rebuilt Hurst Shifter,rebuilt From Hurst.car Looks Like A Copo,yes It Is A Clone,no Doubt.
Well,anyway I Changed The Color To Hugger Orange With 713 Interior.i Just Want A Window Sticker For My Own Use At Local Car Shows.triple A Wont Make It Because I Have No Original Paper Work Stating It Left Gm With The 9561 Option (427). But Its Ok For Him To Sell Me A Repop Sticker .
Now Back To My Original Question, Does Anyone Know Who Esle Makes Them ?
I Will Post Pics When I Return To N.y..
So Does This Make Me A Faker ? If It Does Am I The Only One ? So If A Guy Puts Spoilers On His Car,or Uses Z Emblems Is He A Faker Too ?
Please Lmk What Ya Think.

 

Diversity and shear experience is what makes this website so great. Enjoyed reading the comments and everyone has made some excellent statements.

 

IMO, that what you have done does not make you a faker. Just as I wanted a/c on mine even though no COPO 9561 came with it, you wanted trips, even though no COPO 9561 came with it, either.

I got a blank sticker off ebay a couple of years ago. I haven't tried to match the font or figure out what to do about the stamped VIN, but eventually, I'll make up a word document and print it onto my blank. Probably print onto transparancies first until I get the spacings right.

Been trying to get a Yenko sticker, too. Yenko used to rmove the factory sticker with the double COPO, and use his own. I thought it would be interesting to display both to show the way they left the factory, and the way they left Cannonsburg.

 

rockytwo ... please dont capitalize the first letter of every word. It makes it very hard to read. Thanks

 

I Think Some Of You Are Missing My Point. I Did A Total Restoration Thats Right Total ,all Glass,w/s Seat Belts As Much Original As I Could Find. Car Was An Original 69 Z That Was Green With Ivory H/t Interior.no, I Didnt Want A Z...... Too Many Out There.i Have The Original Tag.
When I Purchased The Car 15 Months Ago The Dz Was Long Gone. It Had A 69 Impala 427 512 Casting # Block In It. Here's What I Did . I Had The 427 Built To 435hp Specs.used All New Tri Power Carbs,nos Heads Form Heartbeat City,his Curved Neck High $$$ Radiator,etc. All The Tri Power Parts Came From Paragon Reproductions, Original Dated Rebuilt M21 With A Rebuilt Hurst Shifter,rebuilt From Hurst.car Looks Like A Copo,yes It Is A Clone,no Doubt.
Well,anyway I Changed The Color To Hugger Orange With 713 Interior.i Just Want A Window Sticker For My Own Use At Local Car Shows.triple A Wont Make It Because I Have No Original Paper Work Stating It Left Gm With The 9561 Option (427). But Its Ok For Him To Sell Me A Repop Sticker .
Now Back To My Original Question, Does Anyone Know Who Esle Makes Them ?
I Will Post Pics When I Return To N.y..
So Does This Make Me A Faker ? If It Does Am I The Only One ? So If A Guy Puts Spoilers On His Car,or Uses Z Emblems Is He A Faker Too ?
Please Lmk What Ya Think.

Ya kinda set yourself up for a bit of flack. There is a diverse group here and because people get stung buying a car with fake papers or restamped numbers making it more than it started life as people do get emotional. The mistake was using this forum where the sub heading reads "Where originality comes first" as it draws attention to the guys with origional and correct cars. There is nothing wrong with cloning a car or even adding badges to it, it's up to the owner, it's his car. It's all about what goes on down stream and if a clone (tribute if you want) is passed off as real someone gets hurt. The bottom line is if you are building a tribute car or just putting SS or Z/28 badges on a car you best have tough skin because you will be hearing from folks fearing another fake is about to enter the market.

Sorry I don't know where to get a window sticker printed, I do know most of the speciality parts vendors carry the blanks...

 

No, it only makes you a faker if you try to pass it off as being authentic. Do what you want to your car, just be honest about it. My 69 will be a Yenko tribute car, but will still wear the original X-11 trim tag showung a blue car with blue interior, but the car will be orange with a black interior. There is no intentions to deceive and it's easy to tell that it's not real. The problem with the window sticker thing is that since it is almost imposible to tell what a car was from the factory (except for a Pontiac), people will rely on any documentation they can find, including window stickers. I know you don't plan on ever selling your car, but things happen sometimes, and a future buyer may believe the repo window sticker as being authentic. The reason companys won't make the stickers without documentation on the vehicle to prove it's pedigree is to protect them selves from potential fraud lawsuits. If they make you a window sticker for your car and you sell it, if the buyer believes the window sticker to be authetic and then finds out that it's not, this makes whoever prints the sticker liable as well. Your best bet is to buy a blank and type one yourself. Since the font won't be totally acurate, it will be easy for others to tell it from an original sticker. Also your car is not restored. This is a misuse of the word restored. it is restified. to restore is to put back to original, once you modify the car it is now restified or simply refurbished. Restified is a term combining the words restored and modified. Sounds like a nice car though.

 

I'm not sure you'll get the majority to agree with your definition of "restored". I believe most would consider a a full bore frame off to be restored, regardless of the fact that it might be modified. (eg. Plain Jane to Tribute)
An example of restified would be 502 crate, 700R4 tranny, 18" Coddington wheels and 4th gen seats.