Try this:
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showpost.php?p=977194&postcount=12

Then this:
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1622139&postcount=5

And last but not least:
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=177138

 

Thanks Brian

 

There is yet another "definitive" posting on the numbers, and visuals of the OEM Factory Hurst shifter vs. the over the counter aftermarket competition Plus line of Hurst shifters but I can't seem to find it in my links right now for some reason.

CRG fourms had a good thread on the original ball made of light "pot" metal vs. the heavier reproduction made now.

All I know is if you have a factory OEM Hurst you can not use any rods and mounts other then the factory OEM ones. Mixing after market and factory OEM = disaster, including dropped shifts or being stuck in gear or stuck in neutral.

Lastly no mater which you go with - OEM or Competition Plus over the counter, spend a few more cents and use the Hurst "Speed Pack" aka "Pit Pack" metal bushings. The original rubber style get gummy quick and bind you up, and the nylon replacements crack and fall out.

 

Heres the correct original style 69 shifter, not a bad price, I have seen them go for way more.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-CAMARO.../170699480932?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item27be7b5f64


Correct factory bracket -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-CAMARO...350502677159?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item519b966aa7

 

Wow the shifter is already at $400.00. How much can these sell for. What about the bracket?

 

Repo factory shifter complete rods/brakts/tags etc.-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Camaro-69-H...Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year:1969|Model:Camaro&vxp=mtr&hash=item35a87a7039

 

Thanks guys this information really helps as I was not sure what I should be looking for.

 

Okay so all that is left to ask is console or non console vehicle? Non console has the white ball with shift pattern, console has the silver ball. Once stop shopping on flea bite here which is very rare for Hurst factory OEM shifters and linkage, rods and mounts.

 

Console with gauges. This is a conversion upgrade from a 6 banger with an auto on the tree. Will I need a wiring harness for the gauges?

 

Does this look like the correct shifter and Trans for my conversion?

 

That's a Competition Plus shifter for a 67-68. The correct factory shifter for a 69 will not have the gear stops on the shifter body. That's also an early side cover. The correct side cover for a 69 will have bolts as opposed to studs.

 

So how wrong would it be to use this shifter and trans?

 

I am trying to build this car as period correct as possible within reason for a clone. I am just trying to avoid building a "Frankenstein" so to speak. I like some of the well built clones I have seen especially the COPO's and I like it when attention is paid to detail. As long as the parts are acceptable for a respecatable build I am fine with the parts. I don't want to knit grandma a quilt by any means! :noway:

 

After comparing the images they do seem to be quite different. Top picture is the 67 model for sale and below are pictures of a correct 69 unit. Is there a performance difference, also how much of a price difference should there be between the 2 different units. Also the mounting bracket looks different. I am assuming that if I did get this shifter I would need to get a 69 mounting bracket as well.

1969 Shifter

 

Mike, the shifter you are looking at ISN'T a factory 69 Camaro Hurst shifter:

- the original 3138 shifter body didn't have a stop bolt treaded in the front or the back.
- the original 5325 shifter handle is retained with wedges and not bolts so the factory handle will not work with this shifter. You may want to consider an aftermarket shifter however if you want the factory look you will not be able to achieve this easily without modifying the shifter handle.
- of what I can see of the mounting plate it's not factory correct and may position the shifter so that it may not work with the factory console.
- the reverse lever should have 3 holes, 1 to attach to the shifter rod, one to bolt to the transmission and the third attaches the linkage rod to the reverse bellcrank. The one in the picture has only 2 holes.
- original factory 3138 shifters, complete and in good condition (trans mounting plate, rods, levers and handle) sell for $500+, if restored $800++. Aftermarket Hurst shifters are valued much less.

Here is an excellent posting on how they compare (Posting #12) http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54774

Hey Lloyd here is an after market shifter from Heart Beat City. It does not look correct either, compared to the vintage 3138 shifter I posted. The Heart Beat City one looks like a cross between the 67 and 69 model. It also has a bolt in shifter lever. Do you know if there are any other after market shifters out there that would be more compatible and closer to original.

Thanks

Also here is the shifter from Ricks.

Camaro 4-Speed Shifter, Hurst, Round Bar, 1969
Hurst Authorized Reproduction
3128 Hurst Offset Shift Body
Round Bar "HURST" Shift Handle
Original Style Mount Brackets And Shift Linkage Sold Separately
Correct look factory shifter authorized by Hurst. When installed, this shifter works, looks and performs like the factory original. Originally, the shift handle was pressed into the shift body with shims. This shift handle is bolted into the shift body with two bolts like the new style Hurst Competition Plus shifters with the flat, rectangular handle. If you are looking for a shifter you cannot tell from original until you take the car apart and don't want to spend big money for an original, Rick's Hurst Round Bar shifter is for you!

 

All of the vendors are selling the 69 reproduction Hurst shifter now. Retails for about 329.00. You have to make sure you are getting the correct one for your application. You should be aware that there are some differences as well. Stops are included and the handle is bolted in on the reproduction ones. Original shifters did not have stops and the handle was the "slip in" type.

 

Thanks for the update. Looks like the only way I can get a proper shifter is to buy a used one. I have checked on eBay. Do you know how the repops work? I read that you can't use partial repop and original parts as the shifter will not shift correctly.

 

Mike
Right now everything you need, shifter, stick, levers and rods are available at Heartbeat city. Take you heart medication before you look at the bottom line but the shifter is $1,200.00 to start with :yes: Be thankful you don't have a Big Block - The full rods, levers, mounting plate for the big block comes to $1,375.00.

Here you go for the one above:
http://www.heartbeatcitycamaro.com/store/product/22688/Camaro-NOS-4-speed-Hurst-shifter-GM-69/

This link is for a rebuilt unit with rods - no picture but only $1250.00 for everything but mounting plate:
http://www.heartbeatcitycamaro.com/store/product/22931/Camaro-Hurst-shifter-w-rods-SB-69/





Brian

 

It's too late I didn't take the meds and now I am lying on the floor having a jammer! Wow, this shifter is crazy expensive. I don't want a hack shifter that looks all wrong and shifts even worse. That is why I thought the 67 shifter I found might be a better inexpensive option. And here I was thinking $300.00 for a shifter was outrageous. Hey Santa if you're listening...

 

Reverse lock out is also available if you need that too.

 

I am going to need shifter linkage as well as reverse lock out unit.

 

LOL Hang on I'm in route with the AED. Yeah it is what it is, NOS parts are wicked expensive.

As I see it you are building a tribute Z-28, so you can never say she is a born Z-28 so don't sweat the heart attack parts prices.

For a Tribute ride, then the spirit is what counts in my mind, the look and feel more then the numbers matching originality. For a daily driver tribute intended for fun I would go with the affordable re-pops from Ricks or Classic and put the cash into other parts you will need for this conversion from plain Jane 6 banger.

 

Thanks Brian. I would like to use a correct shifter lever, so I just need a shifter unit that will allow for that. Can I use the flat original shifter lever with a repop? I will also see if I can get lucky with a used unit and perhaps rebuild it. The old ticker can't take the full pop on the HBC unit. Even thought it is just a clone I probably like the numbers and originallity a bit too much for this project. But it is what it is. I just can't afford the real stuff. By I still want it! :yes: :beers:

 

Question. Are all these repops made by Hurst? What is the difference between these 2 units form Classic.

1968-69 CAMARO/FIREBIRD 4 SPEED HURST SHIFTER
Reproduction of the Hurst 4 speed shifter for use on 1969 models with a Muncie transmission. This assembly will replace worn or damaged originals. This shifter has the correct round bar and will work on non-console and console cars without the worry of hitting the shift cup like the flat bars do.

This Unit $349.00

This Unit $259.00

1969,73-77 HURST SHIFTER
Hurst Competition Plus 4/Speed Replacement Shifters: Replace your original shifter with high quality Hurst replacement shifters! The industry standard for over 30 years, these shifters offer State of the Art transmission control for popular 3/speed or 4/speed manual transmissions. Each shifter assures a custom fit to vehicles having factory consoles without any floor pan

 

Mike - The top one is for a non console since it does not have the offset the console requires. And the bottom is a console off set unit.

Your main question, I suspect they are either Hurst or Hurst licensed.

 

The bell crank is reproduced as well as the reverse lockout rod. Both Ricks and Classic sell it, or by original from Heartbeat.

The "stick" you use can either be a bolt on round reproduction - originals were bayonet mounts, or you can use the bolt on flat stick of the over the counter competition plus series.

 

Yeah Mike you want the round stick, and the shifter with console offset.

 

Thanks Brian. I think I am going to try to find a new after market shifter body. I will use an original handle, but get a new shifter ball as well as a rod kit and shifter boot. Hopefully that will work better and be cheaper than finding a complete original set up.

 

the chrome 69 repop ball is 3/8-16 thread and fits the original shifter and the aftermarket shifter.

 

Thanks Joe

 

Found another one. It seems all there. Is it correct? It looks like it has been painted or cleaned.

 

Yeah it looks okay in the supplied pics, wish there were a bit more detailed.

Don't put anything on the color of the shifter body, I've seen them cadmium as described, GM service replacement black, Hurst silver, Grey and chrome. If you ever took advantage of the then free servicing by the old Hurst corp they came back what ever current corporate color was at the time especially if they replaced the housing. It was quicker and cheaper to give you a new housing then to clean the gunk out in some cases.

Whats the offer price?

 

Hey Brian I am waiting to hear back from the seller regarding the price. I will post as soon as I hear back.

 

the first one is a big block mount plate
the 2nd shown on the trans is small block mt plate.

some rods have numbers on them some don't -helps a lot if they have the number

the trans arms should have the molded on rubber like an original 69 shifter lever

about 1970 they changed to a rubber insert

about 1970 Hurst changed from silver cad to black oxcide type finish

many restored shifters use the 1970 style insert rubber bushing to replace the damaged or missing rubber molded bushings

I have seen some "restored" shifters with silver paint on them

 

I think he wants $1,000.00 for the lot!