If it was my car I think I would pay $8K for just the block or $12K for a ready to drop in carb to pan motor. I think that is what the value of the car would increase with the matching motor.

 

...well since you lose about...33% of its value..WITHOUT THE MOTOR...Take that as a base line..Just an idea..??

 

Good point Tommy! What I do not know is the condition of the car or if it has been modified over the years. Would'nt it be sad to find out the rascal was tubbed and a pro-street car :sad:... Time will tell :thumbsup:
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best deal you could do is BUY THE CAR from him, if it's in any kind of decent shape? what is your relationship to the guy? have you met with him yet? I'd probe that posibility, you may be surprised.

 

Actually thought of that ("buy the car) or at least as you stated probe the possibility. Presently do not know the guy but will be attempting contact by this weekend. Either way, would love to see this engine get back to it's roots.

 

I hope your going to be looking for me....lol.

 

Chick, is he the 2nd, 3rd, 4th owner? do you know? how did you find him? Personally, I'd drive his place and see if you can get an idea about the car (if you know his address?) he may very well be ready to get rid of it. Of course, he dosn't need to know you have the original motor if that's the direction you want to go. how great would that be if the car has been restored and sitting on the front yard with a FOR SALE sign? (along with a camper, dirt bike, and sea-doo)

 

Don't have a clue Mark as to what owner order he is. Just looked him up in the white pages and he has a listed number and he is not quite a baby boomer but has some years of maturity. How'd I find him? Well, I used the partial vin suffix on the engine pad which is a virgin stamped pad verifed by Jerry M to complete some checks. Took the stamped suffix and added the 12437 and did a state search and bingo that verifed the car was titled and tagged in our state so I knew it existed. Then by going back to past owners, of the car I purchased 25 plus years ago that had the DZ engine in it was able to obtain enough information. I almost gave up a couple of times! I had listed the engine on the camaro research group and kept coming up with blanks. Now things are starting to gel. I do know this also, the car was titled in our state in early spring of 69. Engine was built late Dec.68.... Almost gave up since I thought or assumed the engine came out of a wrecked Z28 30 plus years ago which I know happened a lot.
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based on the state and date you give it would be a x coded car so he knows it is a z. But if the motor adds X amount of dollars to the cars value I don't think it makes the motor worth that same amount. Somewhere between what its worth to anybody else and what it makes the car worth. Otherwise its not a good deal for him.

 

The car is pre X code.
Here is the post I made some time ago with the pad.
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=127756

 

For the Original Engine for the Black RS/Z Survivor we would pay whatever the guy wanted... but it is a special case.
If the car is an unrestored survivor adding the enigne will add a signifcant value above the cost of the engine!

 

And it is a survivor with original hugger orange paint and interior with 23,000 miles. Told me the car is all original except for the motor and the car was drag raced for awhile (maybe that is why the engine was taken out???) Can't wait to see it and really looking forward to have this engine reunited. Never thought I'd be involved with a story like this.

 

any chance he is a member here? did you check with Al?

 

I asked him if he uses the Camaro.net and the answer was no. I told him that I had placed the pad info and shortblock on the CRG website attempting to find the owner along with on this site.

 

Chic- you own 2 'Vettes and 2 Camaros... we need to get you thinking about being the owner of this car. wouldn't that be the gem? At least, a great story to tell. Does anyone remember the guy here about 2 years ago that had the 302 motor and had been searching for years for the original car it came with? he wouldn't sell it to anyone but the original owner. Me and probably a few others asked him about selling it to us but he was hell-bent on finding the real car.

 

Ok, big time update here
I talked to the gentlemen that owns the car this early evening. Wow! I did not try to buy the car or play any games as I only asked if he had a 69 camaro and if it was a Z28 of which both questions were answered with yes. As it turned out he stated he is asked about the car for sale all the time and the answer is always "NO". Bought the car in 1981 with a 350 motor in it. Now the good news for him, the car was a late 1968 built car and does not have the X coding and some people always question if it was a real Z or not. I told him they will not question it now as even Jerry MacNeish stated the pad is virgin. His car sounds great as it is hugger orange w/white stripes, houndstooth interior, rosewood wheel, etc. And the car has the original paint. Again, I want to be fair to both of us but this type of car with the original motor would be sweet and raises the value quite a bit I believe. What a story...... Next step, come up with a price???????
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3,500 to 5K for the shortblock would be very fair I think.. or put the block on epay without the full VIN . Be strong in your language you have a real DZ block with verified stamp and see what it brings so you can get an idea in the open market. Then go from there

 

Wow Chick, That is to cool! Congratulations and job well done!! The owner of the car has to super excited!! A car like that and only missing the motor, what a story for the books. I bet he becomes a TC member now.

 

Thats cool. My favorite color too. Would love to see some pics

 

19N556974 is 12A and should be a non X code tag.

 

Just like mine, his car is some 2585 behind my non X tag. .

 

Chick- wow! that's gotta be a dream for that guy. Personally, I was hoping you could get the car but that's awsome to get the car with the motor. Good work. I just paid through the nose for a rebuild, I would easily pay double (ok, triple) for the original. Especially if it were a 302.

 

Congrats! That's pretty cool that it was still in the same state and you found it.

Depends on how complete the motor is. Look on some of the completed ebay auctions. But I think ChevyThunder is pretty close with his #'s.

 

I paid 5K for my matching block with 1178 crank and pistions. I think was some what fair but if it wasn't for my car $1500 would have been its value.

 

With all due respect I think you are low on your figure and I think there is plenty of sales of blocks , pistons and cranks that support a higher value.

Man , could you imagine getting a call from someone and they have your motor for your car. That is incredible. Big time ups to you for making the effort .

I think Al should come up with a complimentary Platinum membership for those who go the extra mile in hobby .

 

Keith, think he can afford to pay what it's worth; just by your initial meeting? Sorry... I'm still trying to get you to buy the car.

 

Give him a HIGH value for your engine.. and make him a VERY GOOD offer for his car.. . *G*

 

with all the b.s. now, with people passing EVERY car off as "matching numbers", this is refreshing to say the least. Chic, you say it's original tranny and rear end? if it was a race car at one time that would be unusual wouldn't it?

 

Mark, good questions! The person told me the car was "all original" except for not having the engine. Now sometimes as we all know people do not check stampings on the trans. I do not know for sure nor did I ask him directly about the transmission and rear end. But as I communicated and many of you have stated the engine authenticates it is a Z28 and it will have its born with engine.

 

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At least you're not running Z28 emblems. *G* might be one of the few camaros so doing.. or is it 'not doing'?

 

More updates: Yesterday I had lunch with the person who put that Z28 engine in the 67 Corvette back in 1978. Listen to this, another person who I now know the name of purchased the engine and put it in a 69 Corvette and sold it. The guy that bought the 69 Corvette wrecks it Now the engine get's sold back to the guy I had lunch with and he installs it in the 67 where it remains to this day as I have not physically taken it out yet. Mailed the owner of the 69Z28 two close digital pics of the pad showing assy date and vin. He did not ask for this but wanted him to see this is no hoax, it is real. More to come- :beers:

 

...as others have said, ...kudos to you for going the extra mile to reunite the engine with the car. Moreso too that whateve you get for it, ...it doesn't appear you're out to 'rake the guy over the coals'. :beers:

 

Thanks Kevin, appreciate the nice comments. And thanks to everyone else for the assistance, kind words, and support.

Now for some other good news. I will be doing another posting concerning this but the same evening I contacted the owner of the 69Z28 I also located the family that owned the 68Z28 we own back in 1972. Was unable to reach the person directly (talked to his son and wife) but just minutes ago I completed a long conversation with him. And he bought the car new :hurray: I now know where the car was purchased and he is going to send me some old pic's including when they brought their son home from the hospital when he was born. Yep, the other day was one of my more memorable moments concering cars I have and enjoy.

 

I guess I'll just say what I'm thinking: this guy should pay through the nose and enjoy doing it. Come on, you're turning his car into a matching numbers Z-28. His car, as it sits now, is like 50,000 non-matching Z-28s. When he buys that motor, he now gets in that, maybe 2 or 3 thousand club??? QUESTION: HOW MANY TRUE MATCHING Z'S ARE OUT THERE?? Even if it's not matching rear-end and tranny, matching motor is the gem. It's obvious Chic is nicer than I am. (I guess 12 years of negotiation with lawyers and insurance companies has made me harsh.)

 

Amazing story! Thanks for sharing!

 

Chick, you may want to let him make an offer on the engine before exposing what you want for it. He may be more generous than you think to get it back.....:yes:

 

Good point!

The original engine will add significant value (20 k or more) to the car.
At least by the way the car is described.

Many of you know keep up with the market more than I but the way he described the car owning it since 1981 with original paint, etc., I would tend to believe it would enhance his non X coded car by 30K. Note one of the main reasons being it is a non X coded car.
So what does everyone think? If this was in fact an excellent car with 23,000 miles how much would the orig. motor add to the value of a non X coded car. This might be interesting to review.