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Discussion starter · #1 ·
This seems to be a tail of two cars. It's been forsale locally since last fall, I see it on autotrader and kijiji from time to time and the price was in the mid to high 30's I think when it first came up for sale.

The original add is here...

http://www.modenamotors.ca/used/1321366/York/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro

Pay close attention to the "sold as is" disclaimer at the bottom.

It is also forsale now on ebay...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-C...rrptr=true&hash=item233e6c6e29&item=151371148841&pt=US_Cars_Trucks#ht_70wt_1153

On ebay it says it is a rust free car the runs and drives great. The ebay add also says it's like new underneath.

I assumed when I saw the car last fall, and read that disclaimer, it was rotted in all the wrong places and was unfit to drive but the ebay ad says otherwise.

Is anyone familiar with this car?

Thanks

Jeff
 
#3 ·
Using the way back machine web site on that first link on the car it show it was for sale for $39,995 in Oct of 2013. The current BIN on ebay is $10k less... That's a big hit when the market has been typically on the up swing this past year. Maybe it sold for less?
 
#4 ·
It looks like a nice car to me. The original ad said the underside wasn't cleaned before the pictures were taken. The pictures show a nice, clean floor pan.
The disclaimer is not unusual. The price is high, but the car looks extra nice, so it may be priced right.

With that said, I would not buy any car sight unseen and would not buy a car without test driving it. As always, caveat emptor, buyer beware.
 
Discussion starter · #5 ·
arocars said:
It looks like a nice car to me. The original ad said the underside wasn't cleaned before the pictures were taken. The pictures show a nice, clean floor pan.
The disclaimer is not unusual. The price is high, but the car looks extra nice, so it may be priced right.

With that said, I would not buy any car sight unseen and would not buy a car without test driving it. As always, caveat emptor, buyer beware.
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Do you think the price is high at the "buy it now" price of 30k? I'd assume ebay will get atleast 1k to 2k in fees from the sale.

What would be a "well bought" price on the car outside of ebay, I think if you could get that car for $25k you cant go wrong, as long as its streetable.

LMK what you think..thx
 
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Grifter said:
Do you think the price is high at the "buy it now" price of 30k? I'd assume ebay will get atleast 1k to 2k in fees from the sale.

What would be a "well bought" price on the car outside of ebay, I think if you could get that car for $25k you cant go wrong, as long as its streetable.

LMK what you think..thx
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Ebay charges a flat fee, not a percentage on vehicles sold. Been awhile since I last sold one on Ebay (1959 El Camino), and I think the final fee then was $150. Pretty good deal. I had the car/truck? listed locally for months at $22,500 with no bites, ended up getting $30K on Ebay.
 
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Grifter said:
Do you think the price is high at the "buy it now" price of 30k? I'd assume ebay will get atleast 1k to 2k in fees from the sale.

What would be a "well bought" price on the car outside of ebay, I think if you could get that car for $25k you cant go wrong, as long as its streetable.

LMK what you think..thx
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I'll say it one more time..... if you are interested in the car LOOK IT OVER IN PERSON. Everything else is wishful thinking and guessing.
 
Discussion starter · #9 ·
I spoke to the owner, he said he bought the car for $25k from the dealership, which was asking $39,999. The reason it went so cheap was that the motor is NOT a 427.

The motor is a 366 tall deck, atleast thats what he called it. The Chevy 366 is truck/bus motor, turning out 250HP with around 500 FP of torque according to google.

The owner said the car is being certified at a local classic car resto place, which I am somewhat familiar with and has a good reputation.

He said he would sell it for $27k, he says it drives fine and is rust free but doesn't have alot of HP. He also said it isn't a posi and from the pictures I can see it doesn't have power brakes.

Is the car worth 27K certified? I assume a crate motor like a 383 small block can be had for around 5k.

Any opinions are welcome.

Thanks
 
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Grifter said:
I spoke to the owner, he said he bought the car for $25k from the dealership, which was asking $39,999. The reason it went so cheap was that the motor is NOT a 427.

The motor is a 366 tall deck, atleast thats what he called it. The Chevy 366 is truck/bus motor, turning out 250HP with around 500 FP of torque according to google.

The owner said the car is being certified at a local classic car resto place, which I am somewhat familiar with and has a good reputation.

He said he would sell it for $27k, he says it drives fine and is rust free but doesn't have alot of HP. He also said it isn't a posi and from the pictures I can see it doesn't have power brakes.

Is the car worth 27K certified? I assume a crate motor like a 383 small block can be had for around 5k.

Any opinions are welcome.

Thanks
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I would say $25K is about what it's worth. Figure $1500 for a posi rear. And being a Yenko clone I'd want a big block in it to keep the Yenko appearance. Figure about $4k-$5K for a fresh big block. You'd be into it for $30K, probably close to its actual value. I have a early '70's Corvette hi-po 454 I might be selling, Needs a rebuild.
 
Discussion starter · #13 ·
Paulsstuff...the car is at backdoor customs in vaughan if you are familiar with that shop, he is getting the safety and certifcation done there. Apparently it needed some front suspension parts and a horn, he said the work is going to cost around $1500. He has already done some exhaust work so he said at $27k he's breaking even on the car.

I don't really like the yenko clone look so I'd remove the decals and add some SS stripes and badges. Its a 4 speed so the only thing I would look to change would be power brakes, posi rear end and a motor pushing out atleast 300HP. I don't know much about motors but I read alot obout the 383 stroker makeing around 400hp. Throw in the wooden steering wheel and thats about it.

He said it's rust free, all the lights and gauges work, the door buzzer. He said the floor pans and trunk is like new. He said he thinks the car has only been driven around 1000k since an restoration.

Any other thoughts..
 
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Grifter said:
Paulsstuff...the car is at backdoor customs in vaughan if you are familiar with that shop, he is getting the safety and certifcation done there. Apparently it needed some front suspension parts and a horn, he said the work is going to cost around $1500. He has already done some exhaust work so he said at $27k he's breaking even on the car.

I don't really like the yenko clone look so I'd remove the decals and add some SS stripes and badges. Its a 4 speed so the only thing I would look to change would be power brakes, posi rear end and a motor pushing out atleast 300HP. I don't know much about motors but I read alot obout the 383 stroker makeing around 400hp. Throw in the wooden steering wheel and thats about it.

He said it's rust free, all the lights and gauges work, the door buzzer. He said the floor pans and trunk is like new. He said he thinks the car has only been driven around 1000k since an restoration.

Any other thoughts..
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Backdoor Customs has a good reputation. I'm in Ajax and know a few guys that have dealt with them. If you are thinking about a GM crate motor PM me. I work in the parts department at the Ajax Chevy dealership. Foss is the place most guys get their crate motors from as they get special pricing from GM. I'll try and beat their price for you. Sold a few 383 strokers and buyers are really happy with them. Cheers, Paul.
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
Going to blow the dust off this thread.

I actually saw this car at backdoor customs while I was working, it looks good and I spoke to a mechanic about the cost of the changes I would make to it.

Add power brakes...make it a posi rearend..remove the yenko decals and add SS stripes and badges and put in a 396 engine, would cost $8k to $10k.

So if making this a Lemans blue 396 SS, with m21 4 speed, posi rearend with PS and PB ,what would it be worth in the end as a SS clone?

My guess would be around $30-$32k, meaning you would have to get the car for around $22,000.

Does this seem about right?

Keep in mind the last time I spoke to the seller he wasn't moving off $27k for the car. But to me after the work is done I just don't see it being worth $36K-$38k

Thanks
 
Discussion starter · #16 ·
I'm still interested in this car so I contacted the owner again to see if he knew what this car was born as, the car was built in L.A. so there is no x code on the TT. He said he thinks it was a big block car because it has an over sized heater core.

I read that on a big block car the heater tubes are in a different position, but not anything about the size of the heater core.

But if it was a big block car it would have been an SS, but if it was an SS it would have had to have power brakes, which this car doesn't have.

Could it have been a big block car, but not be an SS since it doesn't have power brakes?

And would a 396 fit in it even if it was a small block car?

Also, any thoughts on the value of this car as an SS clone mentioned in my previous post would be great since I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on this deal.

Thanks
 
#17 ·
All the SS tidbits you mention are correct. The car isn't an SS.

BB engines obviously fit in Camaros with a few mounting changes, even if the car started life as a SB or L6. Easy peasy.

There are other SS (or BB) clues to concentrate on other than a radiator that takes 4 bolts to R/R.

The car is obviously not a BB or SS, but it might still be a nice car. I'd only consider paying what the condition merits and nothing to do with BB or SS authenticity (clone or otherwise).
 
Discussion starter · #18 ·
mahunt said:
All the SS tidbits you mention are correct. The car isn't an SS.

BB engines obviously fit in Camaros with a few mounting changes, even if the car started life as a SB or L6. Easy peasy.

There are other SS (or BB) clues to concentrate on other than a radiator that takes 4 bolts to R/R.

The car is obviously not a BB or SS, but it might still be a nice car. I'd only consider paying what the condition merits and nothing to do with BB or SS authenticity (clone or otherwise).
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The condition of the car is actually very good, the problem with the car is the 366 truck engine it has. I would be putting another 8K in to the car for a new 396 motor, powerbrake upgrade and make it a posi rear end. I would remove the yenko decals and add SS stripes and badges making it a SS396 clone.

The owner won't move off of $26500 for the car, so after the 8k in changes would the finished 396SS clone be worth the 35K invested or would it be closer to a $30-32k car.

Thanks

Jeff
 
#19 ·
It's too much money (you'll be upside down) unless you don't care and just really want that particular car (not unheard of).

Sounds like the current owner believes the fake decals add value (almost $7K) where there is none.

Time to move to the next deal. Good thing GM made about a quarter million 69 Camaros to choose from.
 
#20 ·
If you really like the car and all in you'll be around $35 the IMHO it's a descent deal.

You'll have a new motor, new posi with gears if your choice and the color and stripes you want.

The car is local, you know the shop to be straight up.

So is this worth a couple Gs. I believe so.

Right now I know of many extremely nice BBC motors for sale from guys looking at LS swaps.

Sort of funny here how everybody says a car posted for WIW always say over priced or it's only worth so much.

Well guys, show us these lesser priced better cars you're always referencing.
 
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