curious as to when did production end and start for the 1970 z/28 or date of first and last 70 z/28 does anyone know
ronzz572
Here you will find all info you need:
http://www.nastyz28.com/camaro/camaro70.php
.Bad75!
They started production in Feb 1970
Jan
http://www.nastyz28.com/camaro/camaro70.php
.Bad75!
They started production in Feb 1970
Jan
The first 1970 Camaros were actually made in november of 1969 but the actual production start was first week of January, 1970 and ran until the last week of July.
There is no such thing as a 70 and a half (70 1/2) Camaro. Another urban myth.
Earliest Z/28 I know of is 02B and the latest is 07E
Rick H.
There is no such thing as a 70 and a half (70 1/2) Camaro. Another urban myth.
Earliest Z/28 I know of is 02B and the latest is 07E
Rick H.
go to www.nastyz28.com and register your car there:
http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32146
there is a huge database of the early (70-73) 2nd gen Camaros:
http://www.camaro2ndgenerationregistry.net/
the latest on file is 07E, the earliest is 01A
http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32146
there is a huge database of the early (70-73) 2nd gen Camaros:
http://www.camaro2ndgenerationregistry.net/
the latest on file is 07E, the earliest is 01A
Initial production was not impacted by a strike, just another urban myth... The '69 would not have continued and run over into 1970 production if a strike was impacting Camaro production...
Here is some info from 1st gen Camaro
http://www.firstgencamaro.com/1969.html
By 1969, the Camaro was extremely popular. Sales had steadily increased during the first years of the Camaro and set a new all-time high, thanks to its long production run (from September 1968 through February 1970
The 1970 model Camaro wasn't introduced until February 26, 1970. This production total wasn't exceeded until 1978.
MBHD
http://www.firstgencamaro.com/1969.html
By 1969, the Camaro was extremely popular. Sales had steadily increased during the first years of the Camaro and set a new all-time high, thanks to its long production run (from September 1968 through February 1970
The 1970 model Camaro wasn't introduced until February 26, 1970. This production total wasn't exceeded until 1978.
MBHD
The 69 production ended at Van Nuys factory in November of 69 but were sold as new cars until superseded by the 70 model in February of 1970. Although GM did publish brochures showing the 69 model as a 70 model the VIN's were dated 69. Dealers and Magazines coined the label "70 1/2 Camaro" which does uniquely ID the 70 model by enthusiasts and some dealers did in fact erroneously registered 69 models as 70 models with the MVR but this is only a registration issue and does not reflect actual GM production dates of the 69 model.
The 70 model was in fact originally scheduled by GM to be released as a new model in 71 but GM hurried production to compete with Ford's Mustang and Maverick and in the process blotched the rear end dies there by delaying the scheduled fall launch for the 70 model to February of 1970. It was very confusing time for both the Camaro Buyer and Dealer when you were looking at 2 different cars on the show room floor and the salesman told you they were both 1970's. I was there and wanted to buy one but could not afford my 70Z until 1976.
Hence the paradox and the unique unofficial label "70 1/2 Camaro" associated with the 70 model in Automotive History and I like it as the debate will always arise when you drive one
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The 70 model was in fact originally scheduled by GM to be released as a new model in 71 but GM hurried production to compete with Ford's Mustang and Maverick and in the process blotched the rear end dies there by delaying the scheduled fall launch for the 70 model to February of 1970. It was very confusing time for both the Camaro Buyer and Dealer when you were looking at 2 different cars on the show room floor and the salesman told you they were both 1970's. I was there and wanted to buy one but could not afford my 70Z until 1976.
Hence the paradox and the unique unofficial label "70 1/2 Camaro" associated with the 70 model in Automotive History and I like it as the debate will always arise when you drive one
))Ron, Van Nuys production was over the end of June. Norwood continued until the end of November. I doubt that the '70 was scheduled as a 1971 model but hurried out early. 3 years was about the design cycle back then. John Z has stated several times there was a tooling problem that delayed the 1970 model year production. Period.
What is the big deal and why beat a certified dead horse?
What is the big deal and why beat a certified dead horse?
Dennis: Excuse me Norwood my mistake. Although on the drawing board the reason for the 2nd Gen release wasn't all that simple eg; strike, die errors ... etc. High ranking GM Officials were actually planning to scrub the 2nd Gen design and continue the 69 model to the end of 1970 which accounted for the original 70 brochures featuring the 69 model and end Camaro production by mid summer of 1970. Believe me Camaro enthusiasts were worried. I was too and though it would be my last chance to by a Z28. The excuses were rising gas prices, smog emissions and Insurance Surcharges on Hi-Perf cars and then again it was a period of a traditionally slack period. It was PMD's Bill Collins and Herb Adams that were enthusiastic about the new design and eventually won the day to convince GM to build the F Body 2nd Gen with the proposal that it would compete with the success of Ford's Mustang and Maverick but in reality they wanted a shot at Donahue and the Javelin in Trans/AM. I was very surprised to see 2 models of Camaros in the spring of 1970 when I priced them. $5,600 was too much for me and the last of the 69 were about sold out. I bought a new 72 340 MAG RS Challenger in the fall of 71 for $3,800 and eventually got my 70Z in 76 which, I'm rather shy to say, paid $1,600 for and still have ))
Sometimes I take it for granted that Camaro enthusiasts know something about the 70 market but it was a very confusing time and then again there aren't that many of us here that can say we were there and then try to explain things about CAR CRAFT that happened 40 years ago (Can't Remember A F&&*G Thing) in order to answer questions our younger member have about early Camaros.
I know CAR CRAFT Magizine was the sign of the times for the 60 and 70 era and suggest interested parties find copies:
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Note the 70 1/2 Camaro label. I believe PMD labeled the their 70 F Body 70+.
))Sometimes I take it for granted that Camaro enthusiasts know something about the 70 market but it was a very confusing time and then again there aren't that many of us here that can say we were there and then try to explain things about CAR CRAFT that happened 40 years ago (Can't Remember A F&&*G Thing) in order to answer questions our younger member have about early Camaros.
I know CAR CRAFT Magizine was the sign of the times for the 60 and 70 era and suggest interested parties find copies:
Note the 70 1/2 Camaro label. I believe PMD labeled the their 70 F Body 70+.
That's revisionist history.
The delay was cause by one thing:
Fisher Body had a huge mess - they had to remake the rear 1/4 dies in the matter on months. Those are a very long-lead item and $$.
Huge black eye for Fisher which helped accelerate the deconstrution of Fisher plants into GMAD.
JohnZ might have some details to add, but that's the jist of it.
There would have been internal discussions of whether to continue the model, but those were done years before 70. Tooling money needs to be released years before production.
The delay was cause by one thing:
Fisher Body had a huge mess - they had to remake the rear 1/4 dies in the matter on months. Those are a very long-lead item and $$.
Huge black eye for Fisher which helped accelerate the deconstrution of Fisher plants into GMAD.
JohnZ might have some details to add, but that's the jist of it.
There would have been internal discussions of whether to continue the model, but those were done years before 70. Tooling money needs to be released years before production.
I'm not disputing the problems with the Fisher Plant but early 70 Camaro adds and brochures showing the 69 model carried over into 1970 was not Revisionary History as far as the public was concerned it was concurrent with the fact that the Muscle Car Era was ending and along with it the Z28 and BB/SS models. In the long run the Big 3, including AMC, built the Last and Final Warriors in 1970 that that are today considered to be the BEST Engineered Muscle Cars ever built. I don't understand the mind of some 69 owners that can't fathom that their model was part or even played a roll in the 70 evolution of Muscle Cars because it did in a major way contribute to whether the Camaro was even to survive. Personally, I love the 1st Gen Body Style and actually prefer it over my 70 model for style and understand why it is so popular but after my first examination of the new Camaro in the spring of 1970 my mind was made up to buy a 2nd Gen because it had superior engineering. In the long run I may have made a mistake because 69 Owners have it made today. You can buy any body part including a new 2008 manufactured 69 replica plus updated drive train and suspension; where as, 70 owners can't even replace a sun visor. I feel almost as rejected as some 67 owners do - LOL
Aside from a superior engineered body and suspension, the 70Z Camaro had the best parts GM had to offer resulting from years of experience in building Hi-Perf cars through out the 60's which consisted of the 69Z Camaro electrics and drive train with Chevelle and Corvette parts thrown in. No other Camaro is as Specific or as Unique in that matter.
Aside from a superior engineered body and suspension, the 70Z Camaro had the best parts GM had to offer resulting from years of experience in building Hi-Perf cars through out the 60's which consisted of the 69Z Camaro electrics and drive train with Chevelle and Corvette parts thrown in. No other Camaro is as Specific or as Unique in that matter.
Oh contraire, in the current issue of Camaro Performers there is an article on the 2nd gen Z/28 where they dug up old magazine tests that show the '71 Z with 9:1 advertised compression and lower HP ratings ran slightly quicker than the '70 in the 1/4 mile. Then the even lower HP rated '72 clicked off an even lower time by about half a sec time than the '70. There conclusion was the '72 was the king of the 2nd gens...
Dennis: The word I use was "engineered" not King of time Slips in which case the 72 and 70 both being a 2nd Gen share. And I doubt very much if an 11:1 Compression Ratio 360 Hp 70 z28 with a mechanical cam and 4:10 Posi 12 bolt when properly tuned could be beat by any other 2nd Gen other then say a 402 or 454 BB/SS in the 1/4. Anyway 1/4 mile time slips are a waste of my time. I drive a Z28 the way it is designed to be driven.
Kurt: I saw posters on the wall of the Chev Dealer in Allendale (Barrie) Ontario when I was shopping for a z28 at Xmas of 69 showing the 69 design as a 70 model. I've got some old car mags which I might be able to scout through to see if I can find something similar but man that's 38 years ago. I've always thought it was common knowledge and can't believe the interest the Poster, Add or Brochure; whatever you want to call it, has today. Perhaps they used the very Promotion Poster your referring to. I remember asking the sales personal what the difference was between the 69 and 70 was and he said it's the same car and they did not know whether they would be getting any more Camaros. When I returned that spring I saw 2 models the 69 and the 70 both selling as new cars in 1970. The sales personal referred to the new model as a 70 1/2 and the other as a 69 design but they were both 1970's. Anyway, both cars were too expensive for a 22 year old just out of university. As I said previously; it was confusing.
Gary: I not trying to prove anything, I'm discussing the year 1970 and the sign of the times. That mag-cover depicts what car enthusiasts were reading in March of 1970 while the Camaro 69 to 70 model transition was actually taking place and believe me a lot of the articles were indeed speculative. There is really no big deal about it. If anything I'm suspecting these retorts are either for the sake of hearing information from someone who experienced it first hand from a consumers point of view or you are too young and have some "revisionist history" theory - Man look at the mess of the auto industry today and then try to relate to it 40 years from now. It wasn't much different back then - LOL. By the way I'm glad they didn't scrub the 2nd Gen because I would not be driving a (eh-humm a 2nd Gen) 70z today ))
))The 1970 Camaro was never advertised by GM or their dealers as a 1970 1/2. The name 1970 1/2 Camaro was given to it by the automotive press at that time. Such press as the Car Craft magazine being shown in this thread.
I would really like to see an offical chevrolet ad or anything else for that matter showing the 1970 Camaro being promoted by GM as a 1970 1/2.
Rick H.
I would really like to see an offical chevrolet ad or anything else for that matter showing the 1970 Camaro being promoted by GM as a 1970 1/2.
Rick H.
Rick: Agreed but there is no escaping the association the 70 model has with the term 70 1/2 nor the facts about dealers selling 69 designs as new cars in 1970. Camaro history has been noted with this Myth and by definition can not be proven but it was, is and will always be a topic of interest among Camaro enthusiasts.
Maybe it was a Canadian thing - they had a different marketing system then the US.
I've never heard of any "69 model as a 70" literature actually being published back in the day. I'd be curious if anyone else has seen or heard of it.
I've never heard of any "69 model as a 70" literature actually being published back in the day. I'd be curious if anyone else has seen or heard of it.
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