thanks for the info so if it is a factory punch out it is a true Muncie car which makes since the Muncie if the car #match vin # but what was confusing me was that the speedo cable goes through the driver side of the firewall I assume that when the previos owner did the resto he ran the cable through the wrong hole where should the oil pressure line go through the firewall for console gauge, cause it goes through the Muncie hole now which I guess is incorrect. also were the muncies only available in the SS models, I don't have the original motor and am trying to confirm that the car was a true SS.