your a long way out on that project,,,take a paper catalog like Ricks or ground up and page thru slowly,,,,listing ALL the parts you may need,,,the little do-dads add up very quickly

whats the seller asking? Looks good, whats done

 

In US dollars he will let it go for $17,500.

 

I like it for the $:thumbsup:

 

Are you just buying it to flip it?

 

Nope, I like to build things.

I've wanted one for a long time and the time is finally right.

I'm a bit concerned over the unknown, is 10k going to be enough to finish it, the wife is concerned it's going to be a money pit. Will it be worth what I have in it at the end?

But you never heard anyone on their death bed ever say "I wish I had been more practical in life"' so I think I'm going to take some money and jump in with both feet.

 

It looks like a lot of car for the money. The main things is to have a goal and try to stick to it if you can. Restoration tends to get out of hand. The good news is that most of it is already done so you have less risk of going overboard. As suggested just do the math and price everything out. Doing the work yourself will save you money. Do you need an entire new interior? If so plan on spending 5K on that. The parts list will tell the story to the dollar. Either way it is a good start to a project. It would not take long to finish either. If you buy it now you can be driving it in the summer.

10 K would be tight to finish it. Depends how resourceful you are and good you are at finding deals. Looks like a 15K to finish job to me at a glance. Also depends on the motor. Also depends on what kind of a deal you get the M22 and diff.

M22's can run up to $2500.00 as can a 12 bolt. Really depends on how you spend it.

Also looks like new wiring and it has been painted top to bottom. The car already has more than $17,500.00 into it.15K would be an even better deal. Perhaps money talks?

Good luck its a nice roller project.

 

Owner kept the dash, console, seat frames front and back, he has new seatbelts. He says the interior just needs carpet, door panels, new foam and seat covers. In the pics you can see the gauge cluster, steering column and console are green, if these can be painted and still look good I can save some money there.

The owner also said he has stuff not in the pictures, i hope that includes the headliner.

I'm hoping to get the interior done for 2-3k, depending on how many parts are coming with the car.

I can pickup a rebuilt 12 bolt posi with any choice gears for 1500 US.

I was quoted around 2500 US for the m22.

A friend of mine is an engine builder so I'll have him give my the lowdown on the 302, I'd like to get 350+ hp out of it. The cost of this is unknown, hopefully 1-2k installed.

So that would leave my 1-2k for whatever else.

All thoughts are welcome.

 

You can paint the interior parts no problem. I painted my dash pad with OER spray bomb. You can do the seat backs, kick panels etc. I painted my steering column as well, but not a spray bomb.

What ever you budget double it. Like was mentioned previously, it is all of those small parts that add up. Best to get out a catalog and make a list. You also need to know what is missing from the project to get a idea of cost to finish it. Does it have fuel lines and brake lines installed, gas tank?

Also define 350 converted to a 302? Does it come with a shifter assembly & linkage? How about Carb, Z bar, clutch pedals, clutch, bell housing & drive shaft. Just a note that the intake shown does not look like it would fit under the hood. Does it have all of the gauges, fan shroud, radiator, water pump, alternator, clutch fan.

 

Stainless steel gas tank is in, not sure on fuel lines or brake lines.

He had a donor car, i have a pic which shows all the vent grills, cowl vents, window cranks and handles etc..so hopefully he kept all the clips and small parts from the donor car.

I was told they made a 302 from a 350 block, similar to the way the 302 was made from the 327. I assume they changed the crank and reduced the stroke. My engine understanding is limited.

I was quoted 3k Canadian for a complete m22, from the shifter to the pedals, bell housing, clutch etc..hopefully that is correct.

This resto plan here was take a donor car and transfer everything to a new camaro shell, like the frame was removed from the donor, stripped down and powder coated and then installed on the new shell. He told me he paid like 13k for the shell from the US.

 

This resto plan here was take a donor car and transfer everything to a new camaro shell, like the frame was removed from the donor, stripped down and powder coated and then installed on the new shell. He told me he paid like 13k for the shell from the US.

Sounds like a Dynacorn reproduction body ? Check your local laws before proceeding ! You'll most likely end up with a State (Province ?) issued VIN.

Here's an example...http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182198&highlight=dynacorn

 

That would be a good deal for an M22 with all of those parts, if they are in good shape.

 

Maybe I've misunderstood something, but this part of your post has me concerned:

He has the vin, trim tag and title from the donor car

Does this mean that the plan involves transferring all this to the orange car?? If the orange car doesn't have it's own VIN plate, (matching) title and preferably the trim tag too, I'd keep on looking.

 

I'm not sure how transferring the title works here in Ontario, but the plan was to use the vin, ownership and cowl tag from the donor car.

 

I think I'm with the consensus here but I would stay way from all this. Not only is it frowned upon and potentially illegal but a 6 cylinder VIN will always hold the value back no matter how nice the car is.

In PA that would be an 'R' or salvage title car if you could even get a title. Basically it will always draw some doubt to the car for the rest of its exsistance.

At the end end of the day it's up to you. If your OK with all this and it plays out with CA law then it looks like a decent project.

I agree with everyone else that you need to double you estimates. My last project was to stay out of the body shop too. Finding something that is already painted is not so easy.

Personnally if the title stuff was no issue I wouldn't go over $15k. Probably wouldn't even go look unless I knew the owner would go lower. The wild card is all the engine stuff, make sure it all works together. If it doesn't it's just a pile of worthless parts.

For me the title and VIN swap is a show stopper.

 

You can not switch a Vin from one car to another. Here in the US that's a federal crime.

If the Orange car pictured does not have a title and Vin tag attached that matches the hidden vins I would walk.

Btw. Where can you buy a 12 bolt rebuilt with gears of your choice for 1500? The best I've ever found is over 2000 for a rebuilt 12 bolt posi for a 1st Gen.

 

I just read the Ontario law that pertains to this situation, because it is a new body it would get a ministry assigned vin and would be classified as a kit car.

As much as I want a 69 camaro and dont intend to sell it, I don't think I want one that doesn't have a camaro vin number.

Thanks for the help, I'll keep looking.

 

After reading the thread about the after market car bodies, it's a thin line about whats a camaro and what isn't.

To the MTO that little serial number is the car, you can change 99.9% of the car but as long as you keep the hidden vins and vin plate intact it's a camaro.

But if you take a camaro, transfer everything to an after market shell, it's not a camaro anymore.

So what's a camaro, three tiny serial numbers or all the parts that make up the car?

 

Just talked to the owner again, he said they didn't use a complete body replacement. He used the term 'new shell' in his sales ad but what he told me was that they replaced the floor pan, trunk pan and outer skins of the car but not the bulkheads or fire war. He said they did replace the sheet metal on the cowl in the engine compartment.

He did remove the TT and vin plate, he doesn't have the dash pad anymore. I asked him to check the cowl vent for the hidden vin, I'm not sure if that sheet metal got replaced.

In my Province you can transfer the vin if the if it was removed as part of the rebuild process I'm told.

I have a friend who owns a license office, I'm going to call her and verify that it can me transferred legally.

He told me before we talked seriously about buying the car that someone was supposed to come look at the car with the intention of buying it this week. I told him about the costs forcasted to finish the car and he said if the other buyer doesn't show he would be more flexable on price.

I think if the this other guy doesn't show, I might be able to get him down to the 16k US range.

 

He also said the fuel lines, brake lines and headliner are installed.

He also said he has all the small parts etc off the car.

 

Regardless of what you can buy it for, you are still planning on putting some additional coin in to it which you need to be certain it will have much more value than your investment considering it will be a tough resale considering the length of the story that follows it!

 

I don't think the 'story' of this car would affect the resale value, I really don't think the seller knows alot about the car or camaros, his friend was doing the work on it.

The seller has told me all along it was a v6 car, he sent me a picture of the TT, vin # and ownership today, turns out it's a v8 x44 car. Plus he speaks french and I speak english so there is some lost in translation going on.

I have him looking for the hidden vin in the cowl vent, he said they kept the fire wall intact, hopefully the vin is still there.