is there a way to tell for sure when some1 says genuine RS

Nope, not unless you have the Build Sheet.

It was a $165 Option in 70 and an option approximately 1/5th Camaro Buyers Preferred. Personally, I never liked the looks of the RS Option on a 2nd GEN compared to the aesthetic appeal of the Option on the 1st GEN and prefer the STD Custom Grill. If you think the Option is worth more compared to today's dollar by all means Sell and Trade the Option among yourselves ;o)

 

Most of the time people who add the RS front don't do the rest, like the chrome moulding below the doors ( There would be little metal pins to hold the moulding clips on also) The chrome on top of the door ( by the weaterstrip) The RS tail lights have chrome rings. These could be added but most people don't

 

I also think in 1970 only the RS had hidden wipers, later to become standard on all models

 

The Hidden Wiper Option was available on all 70 6 or 8 Cylinder Models as was the RS Option. My March 3rd 70Z Std Grill has Hidden Wipers and came with the Chrome Rocker Guards, no rain gutters or Chrome Rings on the tail lights.

As far as I know all 70 Camaros had the Bow Tie insignia on the Steering Wheel. Starting in 71, STD Models had a Chevrolet Insignia. If RS Optioned it had the RS insignia. An RS/SS it would have the SS insignia and if RS/Z28 optioned would have the RS Insignia. There where no Z28 Steering Wheel Badges until around 77.

I may be wrong but I believe the F41 Rear Suspension, whether it was a 10 or 12 Bolt may have been included with the RS Option along with the Chrome Rain Gutters and Ringed Tail Lights. Someone may have additional info about this one as I not sure; however, it seems to me all the 70 6 & 8 cyl RS Camaros I've seen have had this handling Package. ONLY the 70Z had the 1" Front Sway Bar, Alu-Stops on the Lower Control Arms, 15" Wheels and Floor mounted Gas Petal but the Z option also included the 12 Bolt and F41 Rear Suspension Handling Pkg.

 

A lot of times you'll find RS conversions will add the split bumpers and not include the running lights being moved from below the bumper to above.

Here's some info on the 2nd gen RS... http://www.nastyz28.com/faq/rs-faq.html

 

Additional Features included when the Z22 Rally Sport option was ordered are: hidden wipers (rpo C24), and the Z21 Style Trim group (for 1970 & 71 only) - which includes body colored insert on door handles, bright window, body, sill and hood panel moldings plus bright accented parking lights, tail lights and backup lights.

Taken from the Page Dennis is referring to - so I guess my F41 Option being part of the RS (Z22)Package is Wrong but it beats the H*LL out of me when one would think RS, meaning Rally Sport, that the Handling Package would not be included - It's sad to think that the Dodge Challenger RS Package included the Bulge Hood, 340 Mag Eng, Instrumentation, Console, Laser Stripes, Rear Sway Bars and, Hemi-Dual-Exhaust with Frenched Square Tips costing $1,500 less - LOL

So in all the RS Option on the early 2nd GEN was nothing more then a $165 Glitter Package that may or may not appeal to enthusiasts.

 

Taken from the Page Dennis is referring to - so I guess my F41 Option being part of the RS (Z22)Package is Wrong but it beats the H*LL out of me when one would think RS, meaning Rally Sport, that the Handling Package would not be included - It's sad to think that the Dodge Challenger RS Package included the Bulge Hood, 340 Mag Eng, Instrumentation, Console, Laser Stripes, Rear Sway Bars and, Hemi-Dual-Exhaust with Frenched Square Tips costing $1,500 less - LOL

So in all the RS Option on the early 2nd GEN was nothing more then a $165 Glitter Package that may or may not appeal to enthusiasts.

the challenger has 3 trim and performance packages also. none of them were the "challenger RS" the challenger and the barracuda in 70 had the base model as did the camaro. then there was the RT (road and track ) challenger ( 'CUDA for Plymouth) which was the performance package with multiple power train opinions like the SS camaro. then there was the "challenger T/A " ("CUDA AAR") which was dodges attempt at a trans am offering which was to compete with the Z28 camaro. then there was the "glitter package" to compete with the RS camaro, the challenger SE which changed the appearance of the car with a smaller rear window and standard vinyl top and overhead consolette. the camaro RS was a different approach to the standard camaro for people who didn't want the same old looking camaro and didn't mind spending some money to say that. as was the SE package on the challenger("Gran Coupe" on the barracuda). it could be added to the RT performance package but not the TA package where the RS package could be added to all camaros. dodge sucked as the SE package didn't really change the "appearance" of the car except for the rear window , as the RS was a different looking car. one has to understand , not every car was ordered special, and dealers needed a variety of cars to make money and generate sales and there were basic models and special cars . so in comparison , compare the challenger SE to the camaro RS and the RT to the SS and the TA to the Z28 http://http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/dodge/70cha/70cha.html

 

Check this data material:
http://www.nastyz28.com/camaro/camaro70.php

And the steering wheels 1971-73 had "Camaro" on them in script if they were std. models.

 

Check this data material:
http://www.nastyz28.com/camaro/camaro70.php

And the steering wheels 1971-73 had "Camaro" on them in script if they were std. models.

not in 73 . 73 went with the 4 spoke wheel as the standard wheel with NO optional wheel

with the only diffrence being the horn botton designating the "type LT"

 

Good links Vall:

the steering wheels 1971-73 had "Camaro" on them in script if they were std. models

Ah right "CAMARO" not Chevrolet.

 

Sorry Mike, I was referring to the 72 Challenger Lineup. As far as I know, ONLY 200 "Rallye" or known as the RS Models where distributed to Dealer Show Rooms across Canada, I don't know about the States, mine was Sky Blue in Colour and did not have a Vinyl Roof. I believe they were an attempt by Dodge to Replace the RT Package. It was without a doubt the Best Handling Muscle Car I've ever Driven, Light and very Fast. Unfortunately I had to part it out as the Tinfoil Body rusted out within 3 years after purchasing it NEW in fall of 71 for $3,800 (a Z was $5,300) - being much younger I had no idea how much these rides would be worth today. I still get calls from my Mopar Friends regarding the car. I sold the complete Hurst Pistol Shifter which was in mint condition a couple years ago for $450 to a guy restoring an AAR Cuda and bought a SR Cam for my Z.

There was nothing on the car to signify it was a Rallye or RS other then it had a "340 Magnum" emblem on the Hood.

To the astonishment of the Dodge Dealer, I drove the car across the road to a friends shop and pulled the engine - obviously voiding the warranty. I put on 15 X 8 Rally Rims, shoed them with BF T/A's, changed out the heads for the 69 "X" 2.02/1.6 castings off a Duster, Crane Cam and Headers and put in a 5 Point Harness and went WEST the following week - If you pushed it it would shift at 7200 and bury the 150 mph Speedo - The Plastic 850 Carter Thermo-Quad had a habit of catching fire if you attempted to start the engine without the air filter but it Performed Great other words - Can you believe I found a Cross Threaded Rod Bolt on the Factory Build, Sish - LOL. It was also one of the 1st Detroit Machines to use a Breakerless Distributor and being Canadian it had no Smog Devices. That Hemi-Exhaust with the Crane Cam sure sounded Sweet.

This one is Red and not a good example as it lacks the Console, Laser Stripes and Hemi-Exhaust plus a few other Details: http://www.montrealmusclecars.com/Inventaire/inventory.php?path=Dodge%2FChallenger%2FChallenger%20RS%201972

To tell you the Truth you will be lucky to find a Good Picture of an RS 340 MAG Challenger on line because they are Rare.

It's amazing how we can get side tracked in threads but man it's great to recall things we once took for granted from an ERA we experienced.

 

not to be a nudge but,,,,, it was actually called a challenger "rallye" . thats probably why you cant find a picture of one, i did a google immages search of challenger rallye and there was about 50 pages of pictures . it seems the new challenger has a rallye option also. it replaced the R/T and was the only trim or performance option left on the challenger. SE was gone R/T was gone and the ta was 2 years gone. big block was also gone in 72 for the challenger. the camaro ss was still available with a BB and had 3 trim and performance levels in 72. so its difficult to compare the rallye to the rally sport . you would have to compare the rallye to the SS trim and performance level on the camaro not just the rs alone..

http://http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/mopar/72cha/72cha.html

 

i see you edited and corrected your post exactly 1 minute after i posted my reply Z15cam. anyway enough with the hijack>>>72 challenger production #s ....
Hardtop I6: 842
Hardtop V8: 15,175
Hardtop V8 Rallye: 8,123

 

Let me Inform you about the 72 Challenger Rallye or referred to as the Challenger 340 MAG RS. Granted as you stated the 400 6 Packs and Hemi R/T's T/A's where History but Chrysler Embedded the Soul of the Challenger in the 72 Rallye and may have carried a few into 73. Nothing sadder was to see a 318 SE but believe it or not they could be ordered with 4 Wheel Disc Brakes and where detailed much better.

#1 Very Low Production Numbers #2 It had the 3” Hemi-Exhaust System. #3 although it had the smaller Valved “J” Heads compared to the “X” heads with a weaker HFT Cam, the Engine could easily be updated to the 69 “X” head, run a Crane SFT Cam. The Stock Corked X and J castings where capable of revving 7200rpm but if you spent the money for W2 8000rpm Heads with a Crane SFT using the old 263 Rockers. Plugged the Rear Main Oil Journal and cross-tubed the Lifter Gallery, 425Hp and 8000rpm where at hand. If you didn’t do this #6 Rod Journal would surely RING and it wasn’t because of insufficient Oil Capacity.

To Top it all off it was Donahue and the AMC Javelin that Ruled the Roost back then.

Ever notice the Chime Line of the 72 Front Fender - It was Rounded and Bold like the Initial Models and NOT Squared like the 73 and 74 Models.

The Challenger was 800 lbs lighter then a Camaro, it didn’t matter what engine was in the GM Product, a 72 Challenger Rallye or RS (as it was referred to) would Walk-Away peeling G 60 P295 T/A’s at any speed. I’ve correspondence from Atherton & Walters and Smokey Yunik about the W2 340 Build and believe me Power to Weight Ratio was Insane for a Detroit Ride.

In my opinion, it’s just too bad that the Cuda and Challenger Body’s are Tinfoil., but I loved that Torsion Bar Front suspension and Pod Rear End ;o)

I ran that 7200rpm 340 for 3 years and put 75,000 miles on her traveling Coast to Coast no Vette, Chevelle or 427 RCMP 4 Door Chev Cruiser could out handle or approach me.

MIKE. You “Goggled” and got that same PIC as I did for the Challenger Rallye (referred to as the Challenger RS among Mopar Enthusiast ) and got the same result as I did – I don’t normally HACK TC Members but you have been TOPPING my POSTS with vengeance when all I have been doing is disusing Interest about the Muscle Car Era: In this Matter I rest my Case and will not permit you too do so in the future without Rebuttal ;o)

I will further point out that the Challenger/Cuda Design was Stolen by Chrysler over the success of GM's 1st GEN Design and they did it better in my opinion for $1,000 less and 800lbs lighter. The 2nd GEN was indeed a GM afford to Design a Total Camaro Concept that successfully lasted for 12 years rather then compromising a re-skinned Nova - It's just Detorit Automotive History and nothing MORE.

Believe me I love the the 1st GEN Camaro but I also Love the Cuda/Challenger concept. When the Cuda came out everyone gather around the Start Line to question if it wasn't a 1st GEN Camaro because they look so much alike.

I'm also a big Fan of the Mustang BOSS, Nova II or Acadian depending on which side of the 49 Parallel one resides on and tend to let the Intermediate Rides like the Chevelle/Road Runner Class Enthusiasts to themselves.

 

Let me Inform you about the 72 Challenger Rallye or referred to as the Challenger 340 MAG RS. Granted as you stated the 400 6 Packs and Hemi R/T's T/A's where History but Chrysler Embedded the Soul of the Challenger in the 72 Rallye and may have carried a few into 73. Nothing sadder was to see a 318 SE but believe it or not they could be ordered with 4 Wheel Disc Brakes and where detailed much better.

#1 Very Low Production Numbers #2 It had the 3” Hemi-Exhaust System. #3 although it had the smaller Valved “J” Heads compared to the “X” heads with a weaker HFT Cam, the Engine could easily be updated to the 69 “X” head, run a Crane SFT Cam. The Stock Corked X and J castings where capable of revving 7200rpm but if you spent the money for W2 8000rpm Heads with a Crane SFT using the old 263 Rockers. Plugged the Rear Main Oil Journal and cross-tubed the Lifter Gallery, 425Hp and 8000rpm where at hand. If you didn’t do this #6 Rod Journal would surely RING and it wasn’t because of insufficient Oil Capacity.

To Top it all off it was Donahue and the AMC Javelin that Ruled the Roost back then.

Ever notice the Chime Line of the 72 Front Fender - It was Rounded and Bold like the Initial Models and NOT Squared like the 73 and 74 Models.

The Challenger was 800 lbs lighter then a Camaro, it didn’t matter what engine was in the GM Product, a 72 Challenger Rallye or RS (as it was referred to) would Walk-Away peeling G 60 P295 T/A’s at any speed. I’ve correspondence from Atherton & Walters and Smokey Yunik about the W2 340 Build and believe me Power to Weight Ratio was Insane for a Detroit Ride.

In my opinion, it’s just too bad that the Cuda and Challenger Body’s are Tinfoil., but I loved that Torsion Bar Front suspension and Pod Rear End ;o)

I ran that 7200rpm 340 for 3 years and put 75,000 miles on her traveling Coast to Coast no Vette, Chevelle or 427 RCMP 4 Door Chev Cruiser could out handle or approach me.

MIKE. You “Goggled” and got that same PIC as I did for the Challenger Rallye (referred to as the Challenger RS among Mopar Enthusiast ) and got the same result as I did – I don’t normally HACK TC Members but you have been TOPPING my POSTS with vengeance when all I have been doing is disusing Interest about the Muscle Car Era: In this Matter I rest my Case and will not permit you too do so in the future without Rebuttal ;o)

I will further point out that the Challenger/Cuda Design was Stolen by Chrysler over the success of GM's 1st GEN Design and they did it better in my opinion for $1,000 less and 800lbs lighter. The 2nd GEN was indeed a GM afford to Design a Total Camaro Concept that successfully lasted for 12 years rather then compromising a re-skinned Nova - It's just Detorit Automotive History and nothing MORE.

Believe me I love the the 1st GEN Camaro but I also Love the Cuda/Challenger concept. When the Cuda came out everyone gather around the Start Line to question if it wasn't a 1st GEN Camaro because they look so much alike.

I'm also a big Fan of the Mustang BOSS, Nova II or Acadian depending on which side of the 49 Parallel one resides on and tend to let the Intermediate Rides like the Chevelle/Road Runner Class Enthusiasts to themselves.

no one realy listen to your nonscense anyway, RS challenger, HA! ya try so hard though i have to give you a small amout of credit.. heres my 70 cuda, just to show you in not just blowing smoke . it was a 70 , 383 4 speed cuda the ended up catching on fire and i got 600 dollars for it from Allstate ( and got to keep the car) in 1980 and brought a 71 6 cylinder B5 blue, blue bench seat ( very rare) and changed everything over. ya ever seen a bench seat E body??? from K frame and rear ( 8 3/4 323 posi ) and got a 727 auto in a trade for the A833 4 speed . i did the change over myself in my girlfriend driveway.when it comes to E body mopars i know what I'm talking about. i didn't have to do a google search for the term "rallye" challenger . come on, give credit where credit is due . you weren't the only one who grew up then.........

 

well in regards to my 67 camaro is there a way to see if its a real RS or not or is this just a package as well to make it a ralley sport the same way my 70 1/2 does, as this is peratiningto the data plate information?

 

I don't think you can tell on the 67 either without the build sheet. Have you checked on top the gas tank, or under the rear seat cushions? Mine was in both places on my Van Nuys built car.

 

to actually answer your question , no ! the rs has to be determined by a preponderance of the evidence or a build sheet, or, up to 72, a protect-o-plate. the RS option (Z22) was never on the trim tag or the vin in 70.

 

Back to the question
Build sheet, 71 camaro

where I found it

I also found one on the fuel tank, and under the drivers seat. It's cool the person who re upholstered the seats didn't throw away the build sheets.

 

Certainly not a Norwood car....:noway:

 

67 Camaro's had the RS option coded on the trim tag. There will be an "L" following the 3 on the tag.

 

My 1970 RS has an RS emblem on the steering wheel.
Did somebody say that is not correct?

 

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There is no such thing as 70 1/2.

 

old thread .

 

What about the long vs. short fender to radiator core support bars? Again they would have had to change the fenders to do a “really complete” change over job…
And YES… there is no 70 ½ Camaro…

 

What about the long vs. short fender to radiator core support bars? Again they would have had to change the fenders to do a “really complete” change over job…
And YES… there is no 70 ½ Camaro…

the long fendrer support bars were used in 1973 only on the R/S .