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Firewall Hole ID

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#1 · (Edited)
I recently purchased a 67 Camaro, it was originally a 6 cylinder but now has a 350 in it. I owned a 69 ss 350 about 12 years ago, but can't remember all of the details of that car. Anyway, I pulled the engine and am working on repainting the engine bay, frame, etc. There is a large hole, probably 1.5" diameter near the center of the firewall on the passenger side, it would be just to the left of the distributor if you are looking down on the engine from the front of the car. It had a big rubber grommet in it with two holes big enough to put a finger through, but the PO had a tach wire ran through it and that's it. I have searched high and low online to see what this hole was for, I see it on other firewalls so I know its a factory hole. Its the round hole just to the upper left corner of the heater box opening about 4 inches in the pic below. The car does not have factory a/c, so what was this hole for? Right now I just plan on plugging it up and rocking on.

Thanks

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#12 ·
Well maybe it was a early/late model change. I know my car never had ac. From what all I have found this is where the ac harness comes through. What puzzles me is why does my car have this hole. It even has a perfect hole in the firewall padding (original). I personally removed the heater suitcase out of the car last week (installing vintage air). Its no big deal just want to satisfy my curiosity.
 
#14 ·
This is another view of the hole that Brian's picture (above) showed the A/C wiring harness passing through (photo credit to CRG). Interesting that this hole doesn't show up for RPO C60 in the firewall piercing section of the AIM.....
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#15 ·
Yeah Tim the '67 AIM always has me scratching my head especially on 0 - A9 but I own a '69 so not there too often. The picture I posted is from an old thread here that has four pictures of 67 firewall piercings and then the use for all of them - that is why the picture I posted has a 7 next to the hole in question.

I've attached the four and the description from that post is:
#1 - RS headlight wiring harness
#'s1A & 6 - Fender mounting
#2 - E-brake bracket mounting
#3 - A.C. vacuum canister
#'s4 & 7 - Dash mat mounting (rubber plugs)
#5 - Ground strap to engine

 

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#16 ·
Good pictures and description Brian, makes it pretty clear what's what. I know when I tried to identify all the holes in my car's firewall, some holes didn't line up with the AIM locations, especially the Muncie speedo cable entry, and after corresponding with a couple of other LA-built car owners from the same build date timeframe, turns out their firewalls matched mine; the conclusion being that at least sometimes, Van Nuys workers did things slightly different to the NOR guys.....
 
#17 ·
LOS GMAD vs. Fisher/Chevrolet assembly is always fun to compare and contrast.

I guess GMAD had to look at the bigger picture since they produced multiple division and car lines whereas Norwood until mid 1969 only made the Camaro. But adding Firebirds for Pontiac late in the '69 model run at Norwood didn't seem to screw the pooch for Camaro procedure and quality from Norwood. GMAD vehicles all share anomalies against the same lines produced in other plants. I wonder if there were major differences between Lordstown Pontiac assembled Birds and Norwoods?

Maybe someone can compile all the known Camaro differences such as stripe technique, paint finishes, accessory locations etc between GMAD LOS and the Fisher/Chevrolet lines at Norwood.
 
#18 ·
Here is a pic of my firewall, you can see the vintage air plate is installed over the original heater box hole and then the hole in question with a red plastic plug I glued behind it (Im going to paint it). And the PO had hacked up the holes where the heater hoses came out, fortunately the block off plate from the vintage air kit covered them up enough, I just slicked it off with a die grinder.


IMG_20131028_184121_458 by robbz28, on Flickr
 
#19 ·
Robby, based on that latest photo, I'd suggest the car was originally assembled with A/C, but at some time since, it was converted to a regular heater system, with the firewall being cut out to suit the heater box assembly - might also explain the creative way it was cut around the heater pipes.....
 
#21 ·
The heater hole wasn't cut...the heater hose holes were just a little beat up and I couldn't straighten them out so I hacked them off myself. The large hole is original...the heater box and heater controls are original. The heater wiring under the dash is original. Just one of those mysteries I guess.
 
#24 ·
I checked the 68 AIM for the heck of it...Some of the illustrations show that hole, but there is no mention of it. Many of those drawings are carried over from 67, I'm sure.

Out of curiosity, what's the build date Robby?
The Tag says 10A so that puts it the 1st week of October right? It's a Norwood car 15801 Body number. Zero options other than custom interior with buckets. Another thing I forgot to mention is that there is no A/C option code on the tag and my dash does not have the vents, so it was absolutely never an AC car. I suppose someone could have cut that hole out in the firewall...maybe a dealer did it for some reason way back when, heck it may have had an aftermarket underdash a/c put in it at one time, although if that was the case there are zero clues left anywhere on the car to support that. But if you look at that first pic of that new firewall you can purchase, that is a heater only firewall and that hole is knocked out, so, I don't know...a head scratcher for sure, but I'm not overly concerned with it, this car is FAR from original and never will be as long as I own it. Not knocking a gold car, but that's what this car was, Gold with Gold Deluxe interior, inline 6 and an automatic...not my personal favorite. I can still see the gold under the dash and where the black has chipped on the upper firewall...
 
#27 ·
That is what I was thinking, perhaps and aftermarket unit because the grommet I pulled out was unlike one ive seen, it had two holes big enough to stick your fingers in each (perfect for a/c lines). Probably an under dash unit with the controls built into it. Anyway, the hole is now plugged and painted over...maybe next time I have the motor out I will have more time to slick up the firewall but for now this will do.

Thanks for everyone's input.