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1200 a year and full coverage on everything.....
 
My policy has an agreed value of 50K, nobody under 25 can drive it and no more than 3K miles a year. Zero deductible. The premium is $373 per year and the insurance co. is Great American Classis Car Ins.

If I figure the miles I've put on the car the last few years I've been paying over one dollar per mile for insurance.

Doug
 
Here we go again. Search for "AGREED VALUE INSURANCE".

Heres a couple;

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=99258

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72263

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=70806


Stated Amount vs. Agreed value


It's quite common for clients, as well as agency and company personnel, to misunderstand the coverage provided under a stated amount endorsement. Some confuse stated amount with agreed value and fail to understand how the loss settlement process takes place under either endorsement.

Stated amount is most often used in automobile insurance. One such endorsement provides space to list vehicles in the schedule for which stated amount coverage will apply. The endorsement requires a limit of insurance to be listed for each vehicle in the schedule. Immediately below the vehicle schedule is found this wording:

“Note: The amount shown in the Schedule or in the Declarations is not necessarily the amount you will receive at the time of “loss” for the described property. Please refer to the Limits of Insurance And Deductible Provision which follows.” Looking at that section of the endorsement, the following appears:


The most we will pay for “loss” in any one “accident” is the least [emphasis added] of the following amounts minus any applicable deductible shown in the Schedule:


1. The actual cash value of the damaged or stolen property as of the time of the “loss”;

The cost or repairing or replacing the damaged or stolen property with property of like kind and quality; or

2. The amount shown in the schedule.


Agreed value coverage exists in automobile insurance, personal articles floaters, and in some inland marine policies. For example, the personal articles floater endorsement in the homeowners program (HO 04 61) states the following loss settlement provision for fine arts: “We will pay the amount shown for each scheduled article which is agreed to be the value of the article.” (Note that agreed value coverage currently applies only to fine arts in the 1991 homeowners program. It will be available for all scheduled property in the new Homeowners 2000 program.) An agreed value endorsement is available with some companies in automobile insurance with loss settlement language from one such endorsement stating:


In the event of loss to a "your covered auto" described in the Schedule or in the Declarations for which a specific premium charge indicates that Antique Auto Agreed Value Coverage is afforded:


1. We will, subject to the applicable limit of liability shown in the Schedule or in the Declarations for this coverage:

a. Repair or replace the damaged or stolen property with like kind and quality if the amount necessary to repair or replace such property is equal to or less than the limit of liability shown in the Schedule or in the Declarations; or

b. Pay the amount shown in the Schedule or in the Declarations.


Note that the agreed value wording differs from the stated amount wording in that there is no provision to pay any amount other than what's shown in the schedule for agreed value coverage in the event of a total loss. With agreed value coverage, it's a very easy process --- the company simply cuts a check for the amount of insurance shown in the schedule without trying to determine actual cash value (ACV), repair cost, or replacement cost.

An example will serve to illustrate the difference in stated amount and agreed value. Bill and his neighbor Sharon each purchase identical automobiles costing $75,000. Bill obtains a policy with a stated amount endorsement showing $75,000 in the schedule, while Sharon obtains an agreed value policy with $75,000 as the amount of insurance. A year later both vehicles are stolen and never recovered. Adjusters from each company visit their respective clients.


Bill's adjuster conducts a market search of his automobile, using various “blue books” and dealer estimates to assist in determining the ACV of the year-old vehicle. The adjuster determines the ACV to be $58,000. Since Bill's stated amount endorsement provides payment for the lesser of ACV or the amount of insurance, Bill is paid $58,000.



Sharon's adjuster advises her that since she has agreed value coverage the amount of coverage was agreed on when the policy was written. The adjuster pays Sharon $75,000, the amount shown on the policy. Neither the ACV nor replacement cost are considered in the loss settlement.

It's not difficult to see that Bill will not be very happy, especially when he finds out what Sharon was paid. Bill, and perhaps his agent, may have mistakenly thought that “stated amount” coverage worked to his advantage, when in fact it did not.

What then is the “advantage” of stated amount coverage? Or, better put, “Who benefits from stated amount coverage?” The answer is that the insurance company, not the policyholder, benefits from stated amount coverage. The way the company benefits is by limiting their financial liability to a maximum amount. For example, an insurance company may have a financial requirement (or reinsurance treaty requirement) that no physical damage loss payment for an auto loss may exceed $75,000. Rather than completely turn away business where an automobile is valued above $75,000 the company may elect to write the risk, but with a stated amount endorsement of $75,000. Come claim time the company knows for certain that the most they will pay is $75,000. In limiting their maximum exposure they have complied with their financial or reinsurance requirements.

In Summary

Stated amount insurance is used for the benefit of the insurance company. It would be difficult to explain to a consumer how having a stated amount endorsement attached to their policy would benefit them at the time of a loss. Stated amount coverage does not automatically provide payment for the amount of insurance shown; it states the policy will pay the stated amount or the ACV, whichever is less.

Agreed value coverage benefits the policyholder by providing payment for the amount shown in the schedule without having to worry about receiving a payment of lesser amount
 
dbx1969, I work for State Farm. So tell me have we been good to you. I hope so...
Mark, my "stated value" policy with state farm is worded exactly like Mark C's example above, fine print and all. We had a big go around here about that sort of policy last year, probably one of the posts Mark linked.

I've been concerned enough about this to switch the Camaro away from State Farm, but my wife keeps paying the renewals witohut telling my they came in.

what say you about this?
And what do you do for State Farm?
 
I have mine insured for 30k. I would hate to have to rebuild it. I don't think I could do it for $30k.

You can't get a decent car that needs to be rebuilt for much under 10k.
I paid 6k for paint and body. That would be closer to 10 now.
I have 4k in tires and wheels.
Suspension and brakes 4k
Engine and Trans conservative 6k

I'm out of money, with no interior, guages, trim, glass, radiator, a/c and a whole bunch of other stuff. Time to up that to ???
 
Well, I just got the quote from Northeast.. they're worse than Hagarty was :mad: I filled out the form, no tickets, no accidents, no minors that drive, and a insured value of $50,000. The premium you ask? $803 I'll stay where I am for now.:(
 
I have only seen posts regarding cost and concerns for total loss. Any one ever had an accident that required repairs? I would rather spend the extra cash to fully cover me to my expectations if repairs are needed. Is there anyone with experiences or expectations regarding level of service in the time of need regarding services other than total loss? What is a fair assumption if an original GM panel needs to be replaced for example? Paint repairs on a show car?

I could see a $100,000 car being revived at great lengths in order to save an insurance company money. The car is no longer worth that because the car has evidence of repairs and the original motor was last seen bouncing down the roadway.

I imagine, we all assume that a show quality car will get done the right way but its a new day with the values of these cars being so high. We all have heard horror stories concerning home owners in storm ravaged areas and the policy holders having to go to court to get a remedy.

So....., Do I pull out the fire extinguisher and fight the fire or do I let her burn?(extremely exaggerated point for loss vs. total loss or maybe not) Phil
 
The original concept of insurance is to indemnify - to make one whole again. The problems occur with the exact turn you used --> expectations! Your expectations are different than an insurance company's. Insurance companies do not build tall buildings in major cities by paying claims! I have been in property & casualty insurance since graduating college (a long time ago), and can not offer any guarantees or sage advice other than - agreed value policies!

Phil - if you have a claim it is a coin toss if you will be happy with the process and outcome from start to finish. Anyone's best defense in a claim is lots of restoration documentation and receipts.

Those of you that have mentioned Grundy - look closely at the vehicle usage wording. I pay a little bit more with Hagerty, but feel a whole lot better about driving one of my classics to work on a friday than I would with Grundy.
 
I posted this in August when this came up:

My Hagerty Policy details (their web site is pretty good). I have increased liability limits to mirror my daily driver policy.

Coverage:
Liability $100,000 / $300,000
Liability - PD $5,000
Personal Injury Protection $15,000
Uninsured Motorist $100,000 / $300,000
Uninsured Motorists Property Damage $5,000 per accident; $500 deductible

1977 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z28 COUPE $20,000
Vehicle Type Modified
Collision $0 Deductible
Other Than Collision $0 Deductible

When I increased my AV, I sent lots of pics and a list of all the parts, etc. They pushed me into the ‘modified’ class which upped my rates. Previously with $10 agreed value and a stock class, I paid $111 in 2005, $112 in 2006. But with the new class and $20k AV, I am at $343 for 2007.
Hagerty has no useage limits in their policy except actual racing. To & from the race is covered.
 
Well, I just got the quote from Northeast.. they're worse than Hagarty was :mad: I filled out the form, no tickets, no accidents, no minors that drive, and a insured value of $50,000. The premium you ask? $803 I'll stay where I am for now.:(
Bill,
Go online and get an instant quote from Grundy Worldwide. I did and it's way better than my current Hagerty pricing for same coverage.
 
Bill,
Go online and get an instant quote from Grundy Worldwide. I did and it's way better than my current Hagerty pricing for same coverage.
Once again read your policy, the coverage is very restrictive. This is from Grundy's website:
No Mileage Limitations

This policy authorizes unlimited hobby use of your collector vehicle in collector activities, exhibits and parades. While participating in these events, owners are free to enjoy their collector vehicle without monitoring the odometer.

I have not reviewed their policy, but had an in-depth conversation at one of Grundy's booths at a large classic car event. The representative informed me that usage must be "hobby related." That means my drive to work on Friday's or me and my wife going on a Sunday drive (literally) is not allowed! Trip to the Alignment shop, tire shop..................I don't feel is covered. Their 'unlimited' mileage limitations sounds good, but --> ?

BE CAREFUL!
 
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