They have racing stripes down the hood and trunk!
J/k, Welcome to Team Camaro. There are plenty of people that can help with that info.
Off hand what I can think of is the odd thermostat housing is one.

 

1st off, Welcome to Team CAMARO :thumbsup:

2nd, the 1968 'Z' will have the same speedo cable penetration location as a 69
It is a function of the Muncie trans cable routing, not just a 'Z' ...

First thing to check is the Glove Box :yes:
Look at the tire sticker, it should read that the vehicle was equiped with E70-15 tires from factory ...

Block should be a 3914678 casting, dated for the vehicle.
If the original engine components are still with it (as they should be for someone claiming to be selling a "Z") then it may be able to identify them as still being inline with the vehciles production date - even with the original engine Suffix and Partial missing.
Look for things like the proper AIR (smog) system, alternator (1100814), alt. pulley (3.2" 1970831), carb. (3923289 list 4053 dated for vehicle), heads (3917291), dist. (1111467), fan (5-blade 3871276), large 8" damper (3817173), intake (3917610) w/curved thermo housing (3827369), Chrome valve covers/oil fill tube/oil cap and deep groove crank and other pulley(s).

Next look at the body/chassis if still as original - it should have Power Disc brakes, rear bumper guards, multi-leaf rear springs, 12-bolt (proper code and date), 'quick' steering ratio items (short pitman & etc.) and other HD parts.

Even missing most/many of the above, it may still 'have been' a 'Z' - but, there's no reason to pay "Z" prices at that point anymore :noway:

 

1st off, Welcome to Team CAMARO :thumbsup:

2nd, the 1968 'Z' will have the same speedo cable penetration location as a 69
It is a function of the Muncie trans cable routing, not just a 'Z' ...

First thing to check is the Glove Box :yes:
Look at the tire sticker, it should read that the vehicle was equiped with E70-15 tires from factory ...

Block should be a 3914678 casting, dated for the vehicle.
If the original engine components are still with it (as they should be for someone claiming to be selling a "Z") then it may be able to identify them as still being inline with the vehciles production date - even with the original engine Suffix and Partial missing.
Look for things like the proper AIR (smog) system, alternator (1100814), alt. pulley (3.2" 1970831), carb. (3923289 list 4053 dated for vehicle), heads (3917291), dist. (1111467), fan (5-blade 3871276), large 8" damper (3817173), intake (3917610) w/curved thermo housing (3827369), Chrome valve covers/oil fill tube/oil cap and deep groove crank and other pulley(s).

Next look at the body/chassis if still as original - it should have Power Disc brakes, rear bumper guards, multi-leaf rear springs, 12-bolt (proper code and date), 'quick' steering ratio items (short pitman & etc.) and other HD parts.

Even missing most/many of the above, it may still 'have been' a 'Z' - but, there's no reason to pay "Z" prices at that point anymore :noway:

Thanks to all for this info so far. Just to get a recap. The cable should come through which side? I knew it came through a different side but forgot which side.

'No reason to pay Z prices anymore' It is difficult to really gauge the prices as there are not too many of these around to compare. Let's say it is a real Z but obviously no docs, car is a realistic 8.7 - 9.0 (underside, int., eng comp, paint, all metal etc.) out of 10 so it is a real nice car, rally green/black. I am picky so assume the average person thinks the car is perfect. Has the smog system and owner says that it is a non spoiler non cowl hood car from the factory. A real guy owns it not a dealer and that is why I have gotten this far! lol What would be a ballpark value of what it is worth?

 

If you post the VIN I can check in the database and see if the car has any history.

Ed

 

suggest you contact classiccarlucas@yahoo.com His name is Mike Lucas and he lives in Pahrump, NV He deals in 67-68-69 Camaro's and Firebirds, He does this for a profession, and he knows his stuff, would bet he can help you out....Good Luck, Max in Las Vegas, NV

 

Hi Brian and welcome aboard:beers: There are a lot of great people that hang out here and have always been helpful so you came to the right place.....
As already mentioned there are so things that can give a person a pretty good feeling but without the orig. engine it does become a little more difficult but not impossible. Other things to look for are 4 leaf springs and of course a 12 bolt rear. You might want to take some time and read the thread I currently have on the restoration of our 68 Z/28. There are pictures of the engine block, trans, and rear stampings, leaf springs, alternator, distributor, etc. etc... I believe it would at least give you an idea of what it should have and what the stampings look like. Good luck and welcome again!!!!!
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182584

 

Welcome Brian, as you probably know, without the original engine/ trans or documentation, the 68Z or 68's in general are about the most difficult to determine the "born with" status. You can only look for clues and yet there are still no absolute guarantees. Have a look at the chart in this thread for some of the clues....

http://camaros.org/diffs68.shtml

Another clue not mentioned in the chart is evidence of stripe overspray in and around the cowl area. The factory was pretty messy in that regard.

Also, you mention your feeling the block has been restamped. If I'm not mistaken, the block and trans partial VIN stamps should be nearly identical....the same gang stamp was used for both, one right after the other. If you can post some pics, there's fellas here who can determine if the stamps are legit.:yes:

Best of luck !

 

Cable hole will be to the right (passenger) side of steering column for Muncie equiped vehicles ...
You can read reasons here - http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#trans

I can locate 'numbers' 68 "Z's" for under $50k. Some in better shape obviously that others ... like this one http://www.carsonline-ads.com/colsite/col?use=UC3_ViewPosting&cmd=showPosting&postingID=54259
I also know where to find one for $500k ... but it is beyond reproach in provenance and history :thumbsup:
I've seen restorable/non-numbers (but traceable as real) "Z's" go for as little as $10k ...
It's an odd market, driven by economy as well as collectablity :yes:
Sooooo - without 'numbers', tag data and pictures on it to check it against others I wouldn't think anyone could "ballpark" it at this point.

If you are uncomfortable posting any of the data, consider sending it to one of the CRG guys (like "bertfam" above) via PM or email - I can assure you they will only add to a years old data-base for information purposes only and will not distribute to anyone, even me ... :noway:

What is the assembly date on cowl?
Would think it's early/mid by you're discription ...

And it wouldn't have a 'Cowl Hood' from factory

 

I would have no problem posting data here but I do not have any. I saw the car last week and haven't really been banging down the door for it but I may do it now. In case you forgot or maybe didn't notice it...I wrote that the car is an 8.5-9 on a scale of 10 and I am picky. Car is beautiful! Not a number 1 car but a 1 minus or 2 plus in resto terms. Any info. I get next time I see it, I will post more stuff about it or try and take pics. I might even own it by then! :hurray:

 

Let me mention this quietly in this post. (he may want me to list it in the classifieds here or some other places shortly he said if I do not want it, so for now I will just mention it here and no where else, just in case I do want it...lol) My good friend owns a 1969 z28 RS hugger orange delux blk/wh interior tilt wheel factory tach with the matching engine, protecto plate...now hold on to your hats...11k original miles, never repainted and it is the nicest original you or me has ever seen. It is a number 1 UNRESTORED car absolutely phenominal! Now, I have been trying to buy this car from him for years and he is now offering it for sale to me or anyone else who wants to pay. I offered $70k and that wouldn't do it and he told me the price is $99k. Let's hear some feedback on that cars value today, in this market, and do you think it is worth that much?

 

My good friend owns a 1969 z28 RS hugger orange delux blk/wh interior tilt wheel factory tach with the matching engine, protecto plate...now hold on to your hats...11k original miles, never repainted and it is the nicest original you or me has ever seen. It is a number 1 UNRESTORED car absolutely phenominal!
I offered $70k and that wouldn't do it and he told me the price is $99k. Let's hear some feedback on that cars value today, in this market, and do you think it is worth that much?

I would have to see the car first, but colors are desirable and a car like that would demand a premium price. In my opinion, a "ballpark" price today would be $85K plus or minus $10K. For a car like that, Jerry M. should probably take a look at it and do an appraisal.
http://www.z28camaro.com/consvcs.html

 

1. If you send me a pic of the engine pad stamping, I should be able to tell if it's original.

2. The 69 was worth that before. I haven't followed survivor prices closely lately to say if it still is....

 

1. If you send me a pic of the engine pad stamping, I should be able to tell if it's original.

2. The 69 was worth that before. I haven't followed survivor prices closely lately to say if it still is....

Hopefully I can get a picture of the stamp in the next few days and post it here or send it to you directly.

Any other input on the 69 Z is appreciated as well from all.

 

I would say a survivor as you describe with the RS package should get 99K without much trouble.