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#1 ·
Hey guys,

Next step in my winter works plan is to adress the shocks. The ones on it now are AC delco's and they look pretty old and the car is very VERY soft over bumps. When I go over a very mild speedbump a little too fast for example, the front crossmember scrapes the ground.. and it really isn't all that low compared to my previous cars.

I have no idea what springs are currently in and if shocks don't solve the problem, I'll have to take care of that aswell .. but for the moment budget is nearing it's limits :)

I want the car to be a lot stiffer than it currently is in the front and a little softer in the rear (compared to the front, not compared to what it is now)

So I'm wondering if KYB gas-a-just's in the front would be a good choice, combined with excel-g's in the rear ?

I cannot afford QA1 or equivalents at the moment and I have import taxes and duties to pay so I'm looking for the best possible bang for the buck to suit my needs.

The only thing available to me locally are koni red classic, but I fear they may not be stiff enough ?

Any help/advice appreciated
 
#2 ·
Do not use the KYB Gas-A-Just shocks. I bought a set based on some feedback including on this site about how great they were. If you like a solid stiff dump truck ride these will do. They also raised my car an extra 3 inches, which should never happen. Car rode on fully extended KYB shocks and took the springs completely out of their intended function. A shock should dampen road response and not impact the ride height. I verified they were the correct part number for my application. The shocks fully extended when I took the wire off them that was holding them compressed and you could not compress them no matter how hard you tried. KYB will not respond to customer inquiries. I threw them in the trash. A few months after I tried these the comments including on this site have changed to all negative.

There is a new KYB shock now that some people are using, but my experience with KYB is spend your money anywhere else.

Others will chime in with good suggestions that you can count on to work well.
 
#3 ·
Lots of shock info on here.

I believe the stock replacement Gabriels or Monroe are liked for a stock ride. Moving to a performance-oriented shock Koni and Bilstein are the main choices. Step up from that in performance and cost is Hotchkis and Ridetech. Drag race has different options with Calvert being a popular choice.

There are probably others too. From what I understand, all are pretty good except the Gas-A-Just, they get pretty much 100% negative feedback.

Coilovers are another subject.
 
#6 ·
Thats the reason I reached out to KYB. They don't respond. A shock should never do this. There isnt much weight in the back of a 68 Camaro with empty trunk. But even off the vehicle it took all the force I had to compress and Would only compress a short way. Then as soon as you let up it goes full extention. Once installed you could not move the rear of the car. Solid. Something had to be wrong.
 
#8 ·
I had KYB Gas Adjust on all four corners. Pretty harsh, stiff. Found a deal on used Ridetech single adjustable for the rear a couple years ago. Really like them. Don’t want to afford them for the front right now. Maybe someday.
Working on front end rebuild now. Switching springs and to KYB Excel G shocks. Much softer shock working by hand. Maybe too soft. We’ll see. I experienced no ride height issues with KYB gas adjust and the front of my car is pretty low, 25 1/4” ground to fender lip with 225/45R17’s.
 
#9 ·
How much extra do import taxes and duties add to a purchase comparable to what you are considering here??
If koni shocks are available to you locally that may be a great option.
They are also adjustable so you can taylor them to your best performance/ride comfort expectation...
 
#14 ·
OK, as I found out. Coil-overs are not recommended with our stock control arms, but they do make a plate to add for support.
I ended up going with GW upper and lower arms made for coil-overs.

I'm running Viking DA shocks now. I highly recommend any DA shock to anyone to dial in the ride THEY want/like Vs. what someone else "feels" is right/good <--took a while to figure this out (slow learner-hard headed-cheap ? I guess :rolleyes: :unsure: )
 
#15 ·
I threw out KYB Gas-A-Just I had on my car years ago. They're like a steel rod. They did not change my ride height as mentioned. That should not occur. I put on on a set of KYB Excel-G stock replacements. Cheap through my local supplier with a shop discount. They're even on my diesel crew cab. Any quality stock replacement is good. Depends on driving preference and intentions.
 
#19 ·
Factory design the coil is resting on the pocket diameter, shock goes through center. If you were to do an FEA analysis with equal load across the lower pocket mount, it'd show that area to be one of the strongest and the shock mount area to have the most potential deflection and stress.

With the factory coil and shock, the coil (which is supporting the vehicle mass) is evenly distributed around the strongest area of the lower pocket. The shock mount is only supporting the dynamic compressive loads of the shock itself.

When you switch to a coilover, the spring is supported by the shock body. So both the vehicle mass and the compressive loads are transferred to that weaker shock mount section. Hence why it has to be either significantly reinforced, or switch to an aftermarket lower control arm designed to handle the coilover loading.
 
#20 ·
Upper shock mount can also fail with coilover conversions. I am not a fan of coilover conversions for several reasons. Replacing the upper shock mount is mandatory imo. Speedtech has one.

 
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