the sugar will knock the rod and main bearings out.also will kill a carb and fuel pump also it will be hard to get it out of the lines. if you are 100% sure he never cranked it then i would drop the tank and give it a REAL good cleaning.then i would take the lines loose at the fuel pump and blow them out REAL good.you may or may not want to pull the top of the carb to see if in fact it was cranked or check an in line filter.

 

hideaway,
have you had personal experience with sugar in the gas or oil?

I've been looking for good info on this subject.
David

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i have never done or had done to me,but i hear that the suger crystalizes and locks the pistons up,is this correct ? i'am not too sure myself.

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Put a little sugar and a little oil together in a frying pan and see what happens. Avery sticky glazed gunk that is very hard to get off. The pistons and valves will be junk and anything else the sugar comes in contact with that is heated. It is very nasty what this stuff does to an engine. I have seen it. The carb was junk we could not get it totaly clean, the entire fuel system from tank to carb was replaced,the stuff crystalized and was a huge mess. This happened to customers car, when it was all over and fixed he said " I wish they just would have keyed it up real bad, it would have been easyier to fix".

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Thanks for the replies, I'm going to drop the tank and have it boiled out at a local shop. I'm also going to look closer at the carb/motor. Hopefully all goes well.

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67 camaro convertible
454 - 700r4
4:10 12 bolt
69 Firebird

 

when you put it in the tank it turns into a liquid then it gets to the carb it turns back in to a solid coating the carb like fiber glass resin. does the same thing to the piston's and valves.it takes a littel while.just wash it out or buy a new tank and pull the carb down and fuel pump.

 

What about if you put salt on a bird's tail?

 

You can pull and check your fuel filter to see if it ever got into the fuel system. You could also pull to top of the carb off or the float bowl off to see if it is there. Otherwise, I would say "washing" the tank is a good start.



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I've talked to some insurance co people who say it doesn't mix with fuel, if you put sugar and fuel in a jar. The same with oil.

I'd imagine if you added heat it would turn into goop.
I've allways heard of the sugar deal but never gotten good info on exactly what happens to an engine when sugar is added to either fuel or gas.

I can see where it would plug a fuel filter or cause plugging in a carb.

I'm not so clear as to what it would do in the engine's oil system.
If it got gooey in the oil, it might raise oil pressure?
Could it make the oil fail to lubricate?
Could it make the oil foam or what?

Just throwing questions out there.

I've heard where sugar got put into the oil system and nothing happened if it was detected right away. I guess it doesn't mix very well but maybe when heated enough it "melts"?

David

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I put sugar in a jar yesterday to see if it would dessolve and I have yet to see a change. Maybe if I put a match to it??

 

Sugar doesn't desolve very well, as an example make some kool-aid and let it set after you mix it up (the original kind you add sugar to). You'll find a good amount of sugar in the bottom of the smiley face pitcher!

Candy is made by cooking (boiling) sugar, the hotter it gets the harder it gets! If it gets through the filter, pump and carb, combustion is going to cook it! I don't think the results will be life savers shooting out your exhaust...

Check out this link as it talks some about the effects of sugar in the tank! It also talks about golf balls (You've got to read that part!) and other subversive matters!

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/msugargs.html

David - I have first hand experences with salt in a gas tank but that's another post. Have never met anyone that has actually had sugar in the tank though, just heard lots of stories.

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I have always been told about the sugar no mixing very well that if you make a mixture of water and sugar, alot of sugar and boil it up to melt it then put into tank or a bottle of root beer

 

I worked for an excavating company when a disgruntled worker sugared a tank of a D6D Catepillar dozer because he wanted some days off.HA! I don't know if it actually mixed with the diesel or the sloshing around caused it to get picked up in the line. But the engine was ruined. When it was taken apart, you could see how the burned sugar turned to rock hard carbon inside the cylinders. Take a small torch to a spoonful of sugar - it'll liquify, goo, then solidify rock hard when completely burnt.

 

Sean, once you drop the tank, hook a hose or something to the engine side of your fuel line and clean it out. I cant imagine using water, but I cant recommend anything else.

Clean the carb out too. Hell it needs it from just sitting around that long.

Guys, try pure sodium, phosphorous, and a few BB's in a gel cap. Water in gas tank hits sodium, ignites and VAVOOM!

Man the sparks do fly!

DONT TRY THIS AT HOME KIDS!

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I am dropping the tank tonight, I was thinking of useing carb cleaner and spray inside of the fuel lines let it soke for a while then blast some air through it and ketch in a glass jar to see what comes out. It also has a fuel filter between the carb and fuel pump I'm going to cut it apart to see whats inside. I will also replace the fuel pump just for good measure. Thanks for all the help guys. Hopefully I wont have a 69 fried chicken.

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67 camaro convertible
454 - 700r4
4:10 12 bolt
69 Firebird

 

Hey Big Block Dave,

Was that Firebird, Superbird or T-bird??? pdq67

 

Just wanted to let you know what I found. Dropped the tank and removed the pickup/sending unit. Looked inside you guys were correct sugar doesn't desolve, even after four years. I then cut the fuel filter in half, nothing inside but a clean filter. I'm going to have the carb rebuilt next.

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67 camaro convertible
454 - 700r4
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69 Firebird

 

David,

I have first hand knowledge of what happens when you put sugar in oil... two thrown connecting rods, a shredded oil pan, a camshaft broken into four pieces, bent pushrods, rocker arms, and valves. Oh, I forgot the cracked block and two cracked heads.

This happened to me in high school to the 300 HP 327 that I had in my 64 Chevy. None of my engine parts were reuseable. The mechanic we took the car to built engines and raced in his spare time and he said in all his years of racing, he had never seen an engine so thoroughly destroyed.

BTW, the engine let go while I was cruising down the highway at about 2,300 RPMs.

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Thanks for all the info. There have been a lot of old wives tails about sugar in the oil or gas.
But I'd heard from reliable sources of tests done on putting it into a jar with fuel and it didn't mix.
Then it was heated by putting the gas/sugar jar into a pot of boiling water still nothing.
So I guess it takes more than 220 degrees of heat to melt the sugar.

I seem to remember that in candy making they go nearly 400 degrees?

I've heard Karo syrup won't mix with fuel either but would plug filters and might goo up a carb or injection.

I have heard putting it in the engine oil will plug the oil filter, or when the filter get's plugged the bypass valve will open allowing the sugar to go into the oil system and tear up the bearings. Not good.

The caterpillar engine fuel sabotoge is interesting. The cat's use a screen filter and paper element filter on the fuel injection system. I would have thought the filters would have plugged up or stopped the sugar. I know the cat fuel heats up a little due to returned fuel to the tank.

I'm glad I've never had to deal with it.

While we're on the subject.
I'm thinking of a way to lock the hood of my 67 RS Camaro just to keep someone from fooling with the engine.
Any suggestions?
David

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David,

About locking your hood. My crippled buddy in his '58 Vette was drag racing one night. The car had an M-20 and 3.08's. It was a 375 fuelly engine with an Isky Z30 solid cam and 2.5" exhaust dumps.

With him being a paraplegic and all, he had the car rigged up so that a passenger had to shft at his command.

Well they lined up against this '65 350/327 four speed Chevelle.

The flagger let go and the Chevelle hole shot my buddy about three cars , and as the Chevelle grabbed second gear, he went by the Chevelle at about 8000+ in first. When the two shifted to second, the clutch let go at about 8500rpm and they said it sounded like a gernade went off under the car.

The transmission was held up by the pilot bearing and the clutch/flywheel cleaned out the wiper motor as it went through the hood, laid carpet over each of their feet, cut the Vettes hood latch cables and broke the body fiberglass off behind each front wheel.

I drug his car back home with a rope.

My buddy didn't mind all the carnage until he had to chop his hood open with a kitchen ax because he couldn't unlatch the hood. He fiberglassed the hood's pieces back together and installed sash chain to each hood latch. They hung down about three inches off the road. It worked great except you needed two people to pull the chains since there were two of them (one on each side) to get the hood open. pdq67

PS. We used to set him on his finders and down on a creeper to work on his car. He would say "pull me out". He taught me alot (a young dumb, smart-a--ed kid) and I won't forget him.

 

pdq67,
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I run a Lakewood bellhousing in my 67, I wish it didn't have that huge flange underneath though.
David

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davidpozzi,

I bought a hood latch kit several years ago from Classic Camaro that has worked well for me. It cost less than $20.00, and has a pull handle that you mount under the dash that is connected by a cable to a long round pin that goes through a piece of metal that you mount on the bottom side of the hood with two small bolts. I mounted the underhood part with the "pin" on a thin piece of metal that I bolted to the side of the factory hood latch plate. I curved the metal up on the side near the grill, so that no one could reach through with fingers or a screwdriver and slide the pin. This is not actually a lock, but will keep most people from under the hood of your car. It also provides a little more prevention of your hood from flying up while driving.

 

Thanks Ron, I'll check it out.
David

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a carbon (fuel) can not disolve a carbon (sugar) Therefore, it can not pass through a filter. Sugar in the oil on the other hand is a different matter, because of 2 factors, 1, sugar in crystaline form is an abrasive and wreacks havoc on rocker arm balls (if dropped onto the rockers via the fill cap) The engine heat will turn the sugar first into a goo and then into a rock. In goo form it seeps into areas that are open, through the pushrod guides onto the cam and in the oilpan, any spot with friction (cam and anything else with a bearing) creates enough heat to turn the goo into a rock. Then "bango"
sugar in fuel is a wives tail, unless there aren't any filters. Sugar in oil is a mess

John

 

The only filter on the car I have seen this happen too was the brass filter in the Qjet carb. The car had no other filters except the fuel pick up screen in the tank. Wives tale. Not in this case it was one mess I would not wish upon anyone except my exwife!!