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69 Grandma to COPO Clone Resto... One step at a time!

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Well here we go again... One more time with feeling! :yes:

Here is my 69 Grandma car I purchased recently. Bought it from a little 88 year old lady, who was the Original owner. Bought just a few streets over from me, in my neighborhood. Car was purchased new locally and according the little old lady she was the only person that has ever driven the car, until I came along.

I was on the fence about what to do with the car as it is a 6 cylindar car.

Here is the option list.

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Here is how it looked just before it went into the shop.

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Here is the resto plan, that will be done in stages, as I want to pay for it as I go. My friend has a shop and he is letting me do as much work as I can, that my limited skill set will allow. Mainly grunt and shop schlepper work. I will pay for the parts and he will only bill me for the stuff I can't do.

I call it the 10 step plan. My buddy did not give me an estimate but said he would bill me for each step as we go. That will allow me to drive away anytime and return anytime, cash flow depending.

Step one:
Change Rear Passenger quarter, including Outter wheel well.

Step Two:
Remove rear glass and fix window channel rust, and re install so it won't leak. It currently leaks like a sive!

Step Three:
Fix Front passeneger lower fender rust

Step Four:
Romove front Windshield, fix any window channel rust issues. Same issue as rear glass.

Step Five:
Fix Upper cowl and dash pannel rust

Step Six:
Remove all paint to bare metal, prep and primer.
add front & rear spoilers

Step Seven:
Paint car Original color Dover White

Step Eight:
Prep secondary subframe complete with disc breaks, suspension, steering box, brake lines, fully painted

Step Nine:
Install Big Block in subframe with trans

Step Ten:
Drop current subframe, detail firewall install complete subframe.

This might all be a fantasy and I might only get to step one, but I am there right now and here is what I did today. Cut off the quarter to see what was underneath and determine what parts to order. Going with an 80% panel as they call it. Once we have the part in hand tomorrow, we will decide the best place to cut and mount. Also going to replace either all or some of the outter wheel well.

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The repair that was done to this quarter by the previous shop was hysterical to say the least. It has this tinfoil type of tape all over it and bondo as thick as peanut butter, just slopped on all over the place on top of the tinfoil and rust. We got a real kick out of it.

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I was actually surprised with the lack of rust on the outter wheel well as I was expecting to find hell inside the quarter. Also the rear drop off looks like it can be used, so overall happy with the results so far.

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So like I was saying that I was undecided on what to do with car, as there was so much great advice. Everything from don't touch it at all and just drive it as is, to Todd's suggestion to go with the COPO Clone. Once Todd sent me the article of the 69 ZL1 that looked almost exactly like my car, the deal was done. That was yesterday and today I am well on my way to somewhere, with any luck.

The way I figure it, no matter how far I get I will always be one step further ahead than I am now. The overall plan is to preserve as much of the car as possible and keep as original as possible. It will be a gradual resto that I can drive as often as possible, and I can stop and restart anytime with funds allowing it. No plans to touch any of the interior at all at this point. It will be a basic repair paint and drive train resto, that I hope won't be too expensive, and will give me a nice driver that I won't be afraid to drive anywhere. Who knows anything can change in this crazy world, but for now I am just going to take it one step at a time...

I have to thank everyone on this site for showing such great support and giving me great advice even if I didn't want to hear it. I hope that this thread will continue until it is done. It won't be a really in depth major resto, but I think that it will be one that I can manage and complete, a very important deatil as I attempted to restor my 68, and needless to say it did not make it to completion. Onward and upward...
 
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Thanks Alex. I was pleased with the results as well, considering it is a low budget build. This is a stock motor. How have also learned how easy it is to build a killer motor. But with every new performance/High quality/horse power addition, comes a hefty price tag, whichI could not afford. If I had the money I would have built a different motor. It would have been more in the 450 HP range and been a stroker, but would have cost 3 times as much. It will be nice to get the conversion done, and the change will be drastic for sure, with a brand new drive train and disc brakes. I am looking forward to the 4 speed and posi as well.
 
#1,620 ·
Eh hmm.. did anyone else notice the date printed on that read-out? ;):D After being kept in the dark for 22 days,.... CONGRATS! :beers: Grandma lives! May she live long and prosper in her renewed youth as a super-sharp pseudo-Z/28. :hurray: Very cool journey and transformation Mike!:beers: Looking forward to more...:yes:
 
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Thanks Todd. I must admit that this part of the project is very exciting. Drive train means it is getting closer all the time. It has been a crazy ride and such a great learning experience. Thanks to all who have helped and made me laugh along the way. It has to be or whats the point. (Inside Joke Todd, wink, wink).

:beers:
 
#1,621 ·
Mine is going one step at a time as well! I wish I would have gone your route by driving it and doing piece by piece. I know your having tons of fun with it. You won't know how to act once you punch the throttle for the first time! You can always do with this motor as you did with 6 banger to get the motor you want. One step and part at a time! Need to come down south soon to take me for a ride. We finished a friends 69 up just a few months ago. I throw up a pic. He is doing the same thing. Driving the 468 around while he builds the LS based motor he wants to go with one part at a time.

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PS sorry for the "hijack" just thought you would like it as well
 
#1,630 ·
Mike,

I'll have to play all the dyno runs at class tomorrow, wifey is already asleep.
Hmmm, 12 initial/37 total on the timing? Low initial timing, would have figured 16-18 initial with 38 total.
Good numbers! You'll be pleased with the power and 350 torque
 
#1,638 ·
Hey George. My heads are replacement over the counter, Off Road Racing Heads. They are part number 336746. Casting number 3991492. The spark plug was relocated, moving the tip higher up in the chamber and closer to the exhaust valve. It yields a slight power increase when used with high dome pistons. These heads work good with 11:1 compression or higher.

I wanted to build a stock, period correct 350 LT1. So I used 11:1 compression & Solid lifter Cam. Valves are 2.02 Intake and 1.60 Exhaust.

The Cam shaft I used is a Comp Cams Factory Muscle unit, it is the replacement cam for GM part number 3972178, also known as the "Duntov" or "30/30" cam. I was going to go with the GM Cam 3927140, but my engine builder talked me into the Factory Muscle cam. He said it would be a better street cam, since the 3927140 cam is an off road design and makes power from 4200 RPM to 7500 RPM. My cam will make power from 3000 RPM to 6500 RPM.

The motor is very stock and built with mainly all vintage GM Parts. It features a stock GM 3941182 Crank Shaft with a 8 inch Harmonic Balancer Part Number 3947708. GM Pink "O" connecting rods, Stock GM Intake Part Number 972114, Holley 780 CFM Vacuum Secondary Carb List 4053, Distributor 1111927, Forged GM Pistons Part Number 3942543, .030 Over.

Basically the only parts in the motor that were not 1970 Stock GM LT1 parts are the valves, Valve springs, Lifters, Rockers & Cam. Everything else is original to the motor. The motor also features the stock windage tray, oil pump & fuel pump. However I did upgrade to a Pertronix pointless ignition under a stock distributor cap and stock coil.
 
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Thanks Greg. Todd is awesome and I have learned so much from him. He truly is the "Master" Ssshh, don't tell him I said that. He is sensitive regarding the word "Master", rhymes with...

I am glad you like the thread. There have many great threads before mine that served as inspiration for many years now. Do you have a build thread going? Would love info and pics of your car.
 
#1,641 ·
Hey Mike,
I do not have a build thread yet, still in the research stage and learning as much as I can. I am also trying to decide what route I am gonna take with mine.
Engine is a 307 right now...not what I want. Open to suggestion..and not trying to high jack your thread.:)
 

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Hey Greg. I used to have a plain jane '68. I love '68's. The good thing about this site is you should be able to get enough information to help you figure out what you want to do. Is your body solid. It looks solid in the pictures.

Is any of the paint original? Teal Blue, nice colour, with black interior.
 
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Whooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhh! Chhhhhh. Chhhhhh. Behold!.... It's your friendly neighborhood MASTER BLASTER! I overheard someone in the distance who speaks of my name. :beers: I will be re-appearing in a thread near you; soon! May the media be with you.:p
 

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#1,646 ·
Whooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhh! Chhhhhh. Chhhhhh. (MB's signature entry sound effect) (patent pending!)

No pitiful morsel of rust will ever evade the swift and cunning blasts of my infuriated nozzles!:noway: :D Too bad so many miles are between our residencies... I could picture hours of twisted laughter sitting and chatting at a local car show with Grandma and one of her younger sisters from my garage... Maybe one day...
 
#1,653 ·
My car is getting ready to head back into the Rod & Custom shop. My buddy Dean is going to paint the underside of the car. Then I can put it all back together with an all new drive train.

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#1,654 ·
Schwing! :cool: Conrats! :beers: Ready to witness the transformation to its completion! :yes: :popcorn:
 
#1,658 ·
I have been working on the BC Camaro Club website. Have a look and let me know what you think.

http://www.bccamaroclub.com

Website is looking great Mike! Sights and sounds are always an attractive feature of a website IMO... Maybe get some exhaust clips up there from some of the members' cars. That would be an awesome forum/section to have on there I think. You can call it "Sound off" or "blow it out your a$$phault". Something catchy!:D
 
#1,656 ·
Mike, looking good. I picked up a rolling 69 with all body work and Cortez silver/Black stripes less interior and drivetrain for $6500. Guy ran out of $$$. A coupla months and I have the new blk interior and 454 out of a rusted 76 Suberban . . .should have it complete in 6 weeks with less than $16K in the car. . . .this is the 34th Camaro I have enjoyed. By the way I built my SS/RS vert with LT-1 specs except I polished and ported the heads and took the compression down to 10.5, 400HP. Have a great day from this old guy!
 
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Or should I build one of these bad boys around my bench seat? l:)
 

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Too funny Todd. My buddy Dean who does all my body work and paint and my car too, mentioned last night how cool he thought it would be to make a Camaro Station Wagon. I just sent him this picture. I am sure that he will now agree with the rest of the world. How can such a great looking car, make such an ugly station wagon. Perhaps you should take it easy on the meds buddy. I know you mean well, but friends don't let friends build Camaro station wagons!

l:)
 
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At long last the six banger is rescued and set aside in safe storage to perhaps be reunited with its numbers matching body in another life or another time. One step closer...

Extra special thanks to our mysterious "hand model" and his trusty sidekick "The Source", seen here in action removing the sixer.

However, It would appear that in over sight the speedo cable may have been removed incorrectly, and as a result, the scene looked like the after math at the manson killings or a scene from the shining. However, mysteriously there were no pictures taken at the scene. So unfortunately there is no documentation of this gruesome scene, so you will just have to take my word for it, as to how gruesome it was. However, a valiant effort was made by all to chip in and clean up the gallons of bodily fluid that covered, what seemed to be, the entire shop floor. I think it make have taken more time for the clean up, than the actual motor and trans removal. We currently have a forensic team on site and the entire shop is cordoned off with police tape. We are confident that the forensic expert hazmat team, will expose the guilty culprit who prematurely removed the cable allowing the fluid to flood the shop. Until that time no names will be mentioned to protect the innocent! Stay tuned. News at 11!

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#1,666 ·
Good eye Tim. That is the mysterious "Kool Hand Luke"! He brought his game glove tonight, and decided to play. He hit a few home runs and left with a babe. He is so mysterious. Not even I know who he is. He is like the wind. He just shows up at critical times of need, and then disappears into the sunset, like all true legends do. I am fortunate enough to be on his radar. It is rumoured that he owns an original paint RS Z28 Survivor, and legend states it is hidden in a mysterious bat cave location, and can only be seen @ night! I have only heard the car cruising the neighbourhood at night blending into the darkness, like a stealth fighter, in search of projects to help with. He is a try super hero in my book!